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Leslie: The first thing that happens when I write
a poem is that I can't stop thinking about it. (Was it Richard Wilbur
who said, "Poetry is how I organize my day"?) As I go through
my day, the idea keeps running through my head, varying its appearance,
as if a thought could try on language the way we try on outfits, looking
for a handsome, comfortable fit. Finally I have to start putting all
these different versions down on paper and trying them out loud. Almost
everything falls naturally into iambic pentameter. I seldom know what
path the poem will take...how it will reach its wisdom. I've arrived at
completely unexpected outcomes. The poem, "Travel Plans," which is in the July issue of Poetry, began because one day I was
watching
the way a tree grows. Then it became a poem about an old man and a
child. I was pretty astonished when I found myself writing about two old
friends or lovers sitting under a tree drinking wine, making up pipe
dreams. I saw the poem had a turning point when one of the pair makes a
wish out loud; that's when I realized it had the potential to be a
sonnet. Almost the last part is figuring out the rhymes. Robert Frost
said, "The rhymes come in pairs, don't they?....I want to be unable
to tell which one of those he thought of first." (Frost had a habit
of thinking of poets as males.) That's a good thing to remember when
you're using rhyme. Try to fool Robert Frost about which one you thought
of first. Lots of times, the ideas stay in the notebook, and I find it
more productive to come back to them later. It's like a day of fruitless
shopping; you can't find anything that fits nicely...so you wait till
you're in better shape, or the new fall collection is in.
Alex: How prolific is your muse? Do you consider yourself a slow
or fast writer? In a year about how many poems do you write, and how
many get published?
Leslie: I think I'm pretty slow. I don't think
you should wait around until you're in the mood to write...that's a trap. It's wonderful if an idea
strikes you so fluently, you can get the poem down all at once. Then you
can spend the next eight months or so revising it. If you have notebooks
filled with ideas, you can sit down every day for a certain amount of
time and see what you can do with your ideas. It's very hard, maybe
impossible, to get started with no stored up ideas. To force yourself to
produce an idea out of thin air is too artificial, I think. You become
self-conscious. The ideas have to come from your own observations, and
you're not observing when you sit down to write...observations come
accidentally, and you have to be ready for them. Sometimes they occur at
night, so I keep a notepad by my bed. A notebook of ideas is the
essential raw material. I complete about ten poems a year; I probably
start about fifty. I'm lucky if two or three are published.
Alex: It takes discipline to write formal poetry and it takes a
significant amount of study and practice. One of the criticisms labeled
against formalism is that it is poetry in a straightjacket that hinders
free expression and emotion. Why formalism? What are the rewards and
pleasures of meter and rhyme?
Leslie: I don't think I struggle and fuss more
with formal verse than I used to do with free verse poems. What did
Eliot say? — "No vers is libre for the poet who wants to do a
good job?" Something like that. I don't think free verse is less
demanding on the poet than formal verse. Sometimes rhyme and meter will
actually solve a problem more easily. You run into the unexpected when
you're looking for rhymes. You stir subconscious ideas and create
opportunities for what Frost called "feats of association,"
— opportunities to "bring up something in your mind that you
almost didn't know you knew." I often feel sorry for poets who
confine themselves to free verse. Their choices are so limited, and they
have to try so hard; some of them resort to being unintelligible.
Alex: What poets have influenced you, and why?
What
contemporary poets are you particularly fond of?
Leslie: I don't know if I can say a poet has
influenced me...I can name some of the poets I most admire...I mean
whose WORK I admire. (Have you seen the Wendy Cope poem, "Favourite?"
"When they ask me, 'Who's your favourite poet?'/ I'd better not
mention you,/ Though you certainly are my favourite poet/ And I like
your poems too.") Robert Frost (surprise!), Robinson Jeffers,
Elizabeth Bishop, Emily Dickinson, Philip Larkin, John Ciardi, W.H.
Auden, Richard Wilbur, John Keats, the three Wills: Shakespeare, Blake,
and Wordsworth, are all poets whose lives and works I've been terribly
interested in at one point or another. I need to read Homer, Ovid, and
Horace once in awhile, or I begin to shrivel up. I still enjoy A.A.
Milne, Edward Lear, Robert Louis Stevenson — even Robert Service. I'd
like to think Tim Steele and Wendy Cope have had some influence on me,
because their work is just about perfect. Dick Davis is sublime; I love
to run into his poems and translations, as well as poems by X.J.
Kennedy, Timothy Murphy, Dana Gioia, Charles Martin, Anthony Hecht, Thom
Gunn (though I've been disappointed a few times lately), Mary Jo Salter,
Brad Leithauser, Amy Clampitt, Kay Ryan, Gwendolyn Brooks (I haven't
seen anything from her in awhile; I hope she's well), Mark Strand
(sometimes), and William Logan (also sometimes). I like Billy Collins,
too ... I mean his poetry; he's one whose poems begin in delight and end
in wisdom, but you have to play without a net when you're in his court.
I'm always happy to see work by Rhina Espaillat, John Ridland, Kate
Light, Kevin Durkin, and Dolores Hayden. All of these poets teach me to
maintain high standards, and delight my mind with their dazzling array
of subjects and their breathtaking shapes and sounds.
Alex: Do you have projects you’re currently working on, or any
forthcoming publication?
Leslie: This year, I have a poem coming out in The
Formalist, two in The Dark Horse, and four
in The Edge City Review. I've written a novel, and I'm
trying to figure out whether to get a new agent or work on it some more;
it's turning into a lifelong project. I'd like to revive an opera
libretto endeavor with a composer who lives in Berkeley. And I'm always
revising poems...even published ones.
Alex: It has been refreshing to have you share your thoughts here
(beside your wonderful poems) about the state of poetry today, and doing
it with such courageous frankness. Leslie, it is truly an honor and a pleasure
having you as Featured Poet.
Leslie: Thanks very much, Alex. The
pleasure's all mine. You've been delightful, intelligent,
professional and charming. And you made me feel very bold! I
must say, my confidence in the value of the Internet is vastly
strengthened by enterprises such as yours. I pledge great future
interest and support.
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