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09-06-2017, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Kyle Norwood
Added note: Arrgh, what am I talking about? How could I forget about the great Richard Wilbur, the great but often overlooked Donald Hall, and the perpetual caricature of himself who still managed to write some outstanding poems, Robert Bly?
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And Lawrence Ferlinghetti, last of the Beats! He is 98.
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09-06-2017, 06:54 AM
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I have a bilingual volume called Beat published in Moscow, 2004. It's pretty good. Ferlinghetti appears after Ginsberg.
There's a Wilbur thread in General Talk.
Cheers,
John
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09-06-2017, 08:53 AM
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Gibberish.
Alas.
Not Ferlinghetti.
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09-06-2017, 09:17 AM
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Allen, do you really think it is gibberish? Maybe the weaker poems, but "Into the Dusk-Charged Air," my favorite Ashbery, is hardly gibberish. I think it is amazing and beautiful; there is a recording of his reading it and I was struck by how everyone laughed at the same line—a line that has no right to be funny but somehow is.
I don't understand Sam's poem. Ashbery never wrote a blank poem, and his mien is totally different from Cage's. I appreciate the work of both.
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09-06-2017, 12:05 PM
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I should never have spoken ill of the recently dead. I apologize to his ghost and his friends. Obviously, I haven't read enough of his good poems. Apologies.
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09-06-2017, 12:07 PM
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Walter, Cage was an immense influence on Ashbery, though most of the latter's friends were other poets and painters. I like Ashbery at his most garrulous, poems like "Leaving Atocha Station" and "Daffy Duck in Hollywood." But he was notoriously reticent (though interviewed many times) about his own poetry. I don't think Ashbery knew Rothko very well personally, but his comments on the latter's work are revealing:
http://edwardbyrne.blogspot.com/2007...my-rothko.html
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09-06-2017, 01:50 PM
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I have revised the title to "Ashbery Met in Heaven by John Cage" and added a few lines of clarification.
Last edited by R. S. Gwynn; 09-06-2017 at 01:53 PM.
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09-06-2017, 03:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John Isbell
Heaven
Heaven is a place
where nothing
nothing ever happens.
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One of my favorite Talking Heads songs. Heaven.
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