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Old 09-26-2017, 06:48 AM
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WTF is CHUDS?

Am I the only Conservative here? Shame on you all, sheep that you are. As for Les Murray on Quadrant, I do not consider him a racist or a homophobe, though he is a Roman Catholic which probably doesn't endear him to you.

It's probably true that the Left poetry tends to formless drivel. Name me one good poet of the last century on the left? MacNeice I grant you. Auden I don't.

Quadrant have recently accepted a piece by me on Dorothy L Sayers, another papistical person. Dearie me.
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Old 09-26-2017, 07:58 AM
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It's probably true that the Left poetry tends to formless drivel. Name me one good poet of the last century on the left?
Bob Dylan.

What's good poetry is in the mind of the beholder.

The Nobel counts for something. Poetic effect on a great multitude counts even more. One example here.

It was written and recorded in the same year as the killing, in the midst of the struggle. Like much folk balladry and song, the words are supported by the music, but the words carry the message.

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Old 09-26-2017, 08:28 AM
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To stick with English-language Nobel prizewinners for the moment, I think neither Walcott, nor Heaney, nor Brodsky could be claimed by conservatives. Conservatives may have to go back to Eliot and Yeats for the Nobel...
And again, we're sticking to English.

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NB and thus excluding say George Seferis, Salvatore Quasimodo, or Jaroslav Seifert.

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Old 09-26-2017, 03:54 PM
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Are you listening to New Yorker podcasts again, Quincy? ARE YOU LISTENING TO NEW YORKER PODCASTS AGAIN, QUINCY??? ~,:^0
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Old 09-27-2017, 12:44 AM
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Name me one good poet of the last century on the left?
Well, there was that bleeding heart Larkin, always crying about the mistreatment of animals or complaining when profits caused a little pollution. "That will be England gone," he wrote, fearing England might not protect enough of it's natural environment. Damned tree hugger!
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Old 09-27-2017, 05:43 AM
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Come, come, Max. Larkin is not on the left. I would hazard that most people who like animals are on the right. Indeed lefties are always saying that.

Bob Dylan, Woody. You jest. The Nobel prize has been given to the most dreadful people. Have a look and see.N

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Old 09-27-2017, 07:28 AM
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According to an interview I just read of our own AM Juster, "Richard Wilbur is not a conservative poet. He is a poet from the far left." I think you would agree he was (and is) a good poet.
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Old 09-27-2017, 11:42 AM
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Wilbur's a poet of the "far left"? He's a New Deal liberal. As were a great many people of his generation. He isn't going around writing the sequel to Louis Aragon's "Front Rouge" or anything like that.
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Old 09-27-2017, 12:17 PM
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To the American right, that's the definition of "far left," though.
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Old 09-27-2017, 01:01 PM
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I agree, Quincy, but I think he's liberal enough to be an exception to the Whitworth Rule.
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