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05-10-2017, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Roger Slater
I don't think it's hypocrisy to think that Comey did the wrong thing back during the campaign but was in the process of doing the right thing with regard to the Russia investigation. The choice isn't whether to love or hate him unreservedly, and there's no reason one can't have mixed feelings about him without it being taken as hypocrisy.
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That's it exactly. Had Comey been axed a few months ago, it would have raised eyebrows, but wouldn't have been seen as the unmistakably egregious act it is today. Timing is everything, as they say. Or as Macbeth put it, "If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done quickly."
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05-10-2017, 12:57 PM
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Here's a very interesting article which spells out that all roads point to Trump, and postulates that Trump was the one who instructed Michael Flynn, "to tell Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak not to be too upset about President Obama’s new sanctions against Russia because he—Trump—planned to reverse them. It is inconceivable that Flynn did this on his own." The headline says it all: "Did Trump Tell Flynn to Talk to the Russian Ambassador—and Lie About It?"
The article is well worth reading.
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05-10-2017, 01:04 PM
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And keeping Pence out of the loop does not clash with Trump's recent history. Both Yates and Clapper were kept out of the loop at key points. Also, what I've heard of Trump in business suggests he doesn't like subordinates (say, Flynn) taking independent action.
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05-10-2017, 01:05 PM
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John I: I don't care why Hillary feels she lost. I care what measures Trump may have taken to win. Some may be illegal; some may be treason.
I think many of Trump's words and actions during his candidacy (and they continue) were both illegal and treasonous.
I believe, too, that there is a wing of the republican party that practiced treasonous behavior to obstruct the government from functioning throughout most of Obama's administration and is the major contributing factor to why we are where we are now. In fact, Obama said in a recent interview, "You get the president you deserve." When our government is hijacked by a treasonous group for so long, it can only result in a election that produces results like this.
John I: Yes, but look at this shiny object.
It is very shiny.
That's the modus operandi of this illegitimate administration.
Roger: I don't think it's hypocrisy to think that Comey did the wrong thing back during the campaign but was in the process of doing the right thing with regard to the Russia investigation. The choice isn't whether to love or hate him unreservedly, and there's no reason one can't have mixed feelings about him without it being taken as hypocrisy.
Yes, Yes, Yes.
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05-10-2017, 04:17 PM
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The bottom line is that Trump fired the man who was investigating him. It ought to be pretty obvious that if you fire the person who is investigating you, it looks awfully bad. And if you do it hurriedly and "effective immediately" only a few days after the investigator asked for resources to expand his investigation, it looks even worse. All questions of hypocrisy and politics aside, let's just acknowledge that it creates at least the appearance of impropriety to fire the person who is investigating you.
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05-10-2017, 05:50 PM
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He not only has small hands, but heavy hands, too.
And then this today: In Washington state a tunnel has collapsed that stores nuclear waste in underground tanks. When asked what the strategy was to remedy it, the spokesperson said, "We're going to fill the hole up with dirt".
The reporter questioned the plan, saying it didn't sound very sophisticated, and the spokesperson replied, "Well, we have to fill the hole very slowly, that's part of the sophistication." Biblical.
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05-10-2017, 06:46 PM
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Totally what Roger said. This is what they do in banana republics. Trump felt the noose tightening and needed someone to cook up an excuse to fire Comey. However, I can't see Republicans going against Trump. They're all scared sh*tless. All one can hope for now is a smoking gun.
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05-10-2017, 07:00 PM
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Winston Churchill pretty much captures my opinion of Republicans in Congress today, who with one or two exceptions may not have a spine between them. I do not anticipate great things of them.
"I remember when I was a child, being taken to the celebrated Barnum's Circus [...] the exhibit on the programme which I most desired to see was the one described as "The Boneless Wonder". My parents judged that the spectacle would be too demoralising and revolting for my youthful eye and I have waited fifty years, to see the The Boneless Wonder sitting on the Treasury Bench."
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05-10-2017, 07:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Catherine Chandler
Trump felt the noose tightening and needed someone to cook up an excuse to fire Comey.
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And the excuse they cooked up was that Comey had been very unfair to Hillary nine months ago, a fact that dawned on him just three days ago, at which point he sprang into action.
One must admire the chivalry of Trump coming to Hillary's defense like that, since his desire to treat her fairly is well documented. Why, it was just a week or two ago that he led a rally in a chant devoted to her honor: "Lock her up!" And his nickname for her, Crooked Hillary, was obviously meant affectionately.
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05-10-2017, 08:02 PM
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Roger Slater: "And the excuse they cooked up was that Comey had been very unfair to Hillary nine months ago, a fact that dawned on him just three days ago, at which point he sprang into action."
Chris Hayes on MSNBC just called this initial White House rationale "almost aggressively preposterous." That of course is a Trump modus operandi. As Voltaire put it, if you can get people to believe an absurdity, you can get them to commit an atrocity.
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