[Richard Wakefield]

Roger:
I see that no one has supplied information on Dark Horse, so I'll see if I can find someone who knows. I used to be a subscriber but it ran out without my receiving a renewal notice, so far as I recall. I would also like to find out what the precedures are for submitting to journals in other countries -- like, how to pay the return postage.
RPW

[Julie Steiner]

WARNING--note the date of the info in this thread. --Julie
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This is for the formalist poets out there:

Which publications and/or websites do you consider essential for your continuing education as a poet working with meter and/or rhyme? (Yes, you may include journals that publish only free verse, if you find those helpful to developing your metered work.) If you were on a limited budget and had no access to a university library collection, to which handful of journals would you subscribe?

Those are the essential questions, if you'd like to skip the following ramble and just post your reply. If this topic has come up before, perhaps it's time for an update. I've tried to subscribe to five self-proclaimed form-friendly journals listed in Poet's Market, and three of them were no longer in existence.

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[embarassingly sophomoric ramble deleted, except for:]

I admired a sonnet by A.E. Stallings published in The Formalist, and e-mailed her a fan letter. She directed me to Eratosphere, and here I am. My education continues!

Now I'm wondering what other significant publications and discussion forums I might be missing out on. Thanks!

Julie Stoner



[This message has been edited by Julie Stoner (edited June 18, 2004).]

[RCL]

Julie, check out The Lyric, Pivot, and Edge City Review for starters. They're all formalist friendly. Good luck.

Cheers,

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Ralph

[A. E. Stallings]

Glad I was able to guide you here!

Yes, the Lyric, Light, The Formalist, Pivot, Edge City Review are among the best purely formal journals. The last is more political than I care for in a journal promoting formalism, but publishes some good stuff. The Formalist is the best, I think. Light (which publishes excellent light verse, out of Chicago) is one of the most rewarding subscriptions. It's the only poetry journal I subscribe to that my husband also reads!

On the Web, check out Expansive Poetry On-line.

Quite a few mainstream journals regularly publish formal verse. Personally, on the whole, I prefer a journal whose criterion is simply good poetry--not iambs or lack thereof. One subscription I would not let lapse is Poetry. Yes, it is uneven, and there is the occasional clunker, but it IS a monthly, publishes a lot of unknowns among its more established ranks, and there is always at least one poem worth the price of admission. The Hudson Review is also very form-friendly.

Some new journals that are premiering in the coming months, with an active openness to form, if not strictly "formalista":

The National Poetry Review

edited by CJ Sage

and 32 poems

edited by John Poch and Deborah Ager (John Poch also edited a forthcoming anthology of contemporary sonnets).

I've seen very good formal poems featured in POetry Daily and Verse Daily from a journal called "Smartish Pace"--they also have a handsome website. But I haven't seen actual copies of the journal.

Out of the UK there is also Orbis and Dark Horse. Leviathan Quarterly is also quite open. Actually, generally, the UK has less form/free-verse dichotomy. It never became as political as in the US.

Not a poetry magazine, but I think EVERY person active in literature should subscribe to--or get their hands on and read--the Times Literary Supplement.

We should all subscribe to as many journals as we can reasonably afford--put our money where our muse is.

Alicia

[Richard Wakefield]

Julie:
The journals already mentioned get my votes, too, with special praise for The Formalist and Light. There are also lots of very, very small magazines that will take formal verse. You might find yourself published next to some truly awful stuff (or, as has happened to me more than once, realize that yours is the truly awful stuff next to which someone else's work is published!), but a writer should never shun an audience.
Esther Cameron's Neovictorian has high standards, and Esther has several times helped me rework a poem for the better.
The Lyric is often highly praised by people whose opinions I respect, but I've waited eighteen months to two years for rejections, and that jaundices my view.
Websites? What could be better than this one?
RPW

[Susan McLean]

Many good journals have already been mentioned, so I will just add BLUE UNICORN, which is not exclusively formal but formal-friendly.

[Julie Steiner]

Thanks, Ralph, Alicia, Richard, and Susan!

Could any current subscribers please post subscription info for Pivot, The Neovictorian, Orbis, Dark Horse, and Leviathan? The 2003 Poet's Market index said that the first three of these missed the deadline to be listed, and the latter two weren't mentioned at all. Much obliged!

Below is a listing of the subscription info (but NOT author guidelines) for the publications you recommended. I thought someone else out there might find this info useful in this format. If you contact these publications, do include an individual's name (as when you mail anything these days), or you will make the United States Postal Service very uneasy. Price info below is for individual subscriptions, not for institutional, which is more expensive.

Jeffery Bahr of the Alsop Review has a list of form-friendly websites & E-zines at http://www.alsopreview.com/bahrrevie...eTuxTails.html


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Formalist (or primarily-formal) journals:

The Formalist
c/o William Baer, Editor
320 Hunter Dr.
Evansville, IN 47711
http://www2.evansville.edu/theformalist
$14 US ($21 foreign) for 2 (128-page) issues, $28 US ($42 foreign) for 4 ; sample $7.50

Light
c/o John Mella, Editor
Box 7500
Chicago, IL 60680
http://www.lightquarterly.com
$20 US ($34 foreign) for 4 (64-page) issues, $32 for 8; "single" issue $6, back issue $5.

The Lyric
c/o Jean Mellichamp Milliken, Editor
65 VT. SR 15
Jericho, VT 05465
$12 US (or $14 foreign) for 4 (32-page) issues; sample $3

The Edge City Review
c/o F.S. Ponick, Editor
10912 Harpers Square Court
Reston, VA 20191
http://www.edge-city.com
$17 for 3 (48- to 52-page) issues; sample $6

Pivot
(Missed deadline for 2003 Poet's Market listing; some info at website.) http://www.n2hos.com/acm/EPMBOOKSTOREMAIN.HTML

The Neovictorian/Cochlea
(Missed deadline for 2003 Poet's Market listing; some info at website.)
c/o Esther Cameron, Editor
P.O. Box 55164
Madison, WI 53705 http://www.pointandcircumference.org...orian/main.htm
$10 for 2 issues; single issue $6; back issue $5


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Form-friendly eclectic journals:

Blue Unicorn
c/o Ruth G. Iodice, John Hart, and Fred Ostrander, Poetry Editors
22 Avon Rd.
Kensington, CA 94707
$14 US, $20 foreign, for 3 (56-page) issues; sample $6 US, $8 foreign

The Hudson Review
c/o Emily D. Montjoy, Subscription Contact
684 Park Ave.
New York, NY 10021 http://www.hudsonreview.com
$28 US ($32 foreign) for 4 (176-page) issues; sample $9

Smartish Pace
c/o Stepher Reichert, Editor
P.O. Box 22161
Baltimore, MD 21203 http://www.smartishpace.com
$12 for 2 (ca. 80-page) issues; sample $6

Poetry
c/o Joseph Parisi, Editor
60 W. Walton St.
Chicago, IL 60610-3380
http://www.poetrymagazine.org
$35 for 12 (large) issues; single copy $3.75

Orbis
(Missed deadline for 2003 Poet's Market listing.)

Dark Horse
(No mention in 2003 Poet's Market.)

Leviathan Quarterly
(No mention in 2003 Poet's Market.)

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New, form-friendly journals premiering soon:

National Poetry Review
c/o C.J. Sage, Editor
P.O. Box 640625
San Jose, CA 95164-0625 http://www.angelfire.com/in/birdsong/nprsg.html
$10 ($15 foreign) for 2(?) issues

32 Poems Magazine
c/o Deborah Ager, Editor
P.O. Box 5824
Hyattsville, MD 20782
http://www.32poems.com
$12 for 2 (small) issues, $20 for 4 issues, sample $6; foreign, please see website; checks payable to Deborah Ager


Julie Stoner


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[Tim Love]

"Could any current subscribers please post subscription info for Pivot, The Neovictorian, Orbis, Dark Horse, and Leviathan? "
I'm not a current subscriber but for the UK mags http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~tpl/ukmags.html is fairly up to date (Orbis info updated July 2002, Leviathan info updated Jan 2003). http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~tpl/guidelines.html has links to some submission guidelines, but not the ones you want.

PS: thanks for the info.

[Jerry Glenn Hartwig]

Julie

An excellent thread. I came across some publications I haven't heard of before. All the information, from everyone, is appreciated.

Jerry

[Roger Slater]

Does anyone have submission info for Dark Horse?