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MacArthur

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posted April 19, 2004 03:52 AM

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(A poem I admire from-- I believe-- his first collection. I was wondering whether this is a kind of Form...perhaps a rondeau, or ballade or something. Perhaps it is an improvisation?)

Carnal Knowledge

Even in bed I pose: desire may grow
More circumstantial and less circumspect
Each night, but an acute girl would suspect
My thoughts might not be, like my body, bare.
I wonder if you know, or, knowing care?
You know I know you know I know you know.

I am not what I seem, believe me, so
For the magnanimous pagan I pretend
Substitute a forked creature as your friend.
When darkness lies – without a roll or stir –
Flaccid, you want a competent poseur.
I know you know I know you know I know.

Cackle you hen, and answer when I crow.
No need to grope: I'm still playing the same
Comical act inside the tragic game.
Or is it perhaps simpler: could it be
A mere tear-jerker void of honesty?
You know I know you know I know you know.

Lie back. Within a minute I will stow
Your greedy mouth, but will not yet to grips.
‘There is a space between the breast and lips.’
Also a space between the thighs and head,
So great, we might as well not be in bed.
I know you know I know you know I know.

I hardly hoped for happy thoughts, although
In a most happy sleeping time I dreamt
We did not hold each other in contempt.
Then lifting from my lids night’s penny weights
I saw that lack of love contaminates.
You know I know you know I know you know.

Abandon me to stammering, and go;
If you have tears, prepare to cry elsewhere –
I know of no emotion we can share.
Your intellectual protests are a bore,
And even now I pose, so now go, for
I know you know.

Thom Gunn

[This message has been edited by MacArthur (edited April 19, 2004).]


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Margaret Moore

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posted April 19, 2004 04:51 AM

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Mac,
Thanks for posting. Will leave your query to the formal experts. In case anyone is minded to post other TG poems here, I'll push up the existing thread.
Margaret.

PS Am not sure whether the two TG threads could be amalgamated even if that was what you wanted. Perhaps the best thing would be for anyone willing and able to answer your specific question to post here, but for those who wanted to pursue other Thom Gunn matters to use the existing thread.
M.


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