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Panelists: 
R. S. Gwynn, Rachel Hadas, Mark Jarman,
A. E. Stallings and Diane Thiel 

 
Moderator:  Alex Pepple

 

     

 

                      

        

             

   

                      

 


 

  

 

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Alex Pepple
 
1. Most poets write poetry as a side activity, alongside a day job for sustenance. Interestingly, I received for the first time at West Chester, business cards with the occupational designation, "Poet". Who among you considers yourself a professional Poet? (Italics mine.)

2. How did you become a poet and who was your biggest influence along the way?

3. Can you make a general commentary on the state of poetry today and where you think it is headed?

4. In what ways can poetry be steered for the better
  

 
Mark Jarman
 
The first poet who was important to me was Theodore Roethke, in part because I discovered him for myself. His example remains preeminent, because he worked successfully in traditional English verse and in free verse. His green house poems also showed me that the unique experiences of his childhood, growing up among his father's and uncle's greenhouses in Saginaw, Michigan, were a fit subject for poetry. He moved easily between metrical and non-metrical verse; however, I think he was most original in the latter form. He had a musical gift for free verse which I see very few contemporary practitioners trying to emulate. I wish they did.
 
 
Rachel Hadas
 
My influences are many, from ee cummings, whom I read in 9th grade, to Sylvia Plath, James Merrill, Catullus, Vergil...The trick is to read, read, read, and operate both by pastiche and by bricolage as well as by outright homage and unconscious borrowing.

I started writing poetry at 8 or 9 and sensed my commitment to the art by 13 or 14, but when did I "become" or begin to call myself a poet? Later, later. One gets humbler year by year, or should. Auden says somewhere no poet who isn't writing a poem, working on one, RIGHT NOW, feels bona fide; I find that's true. Yet one also learns that one has written and published too much. Editing, revising, weeding are skills that come with years.
 

 
Mark Jarman
 
Programs might be proposed that would steer poetry for the better, but I doubt if they would work, and I wonder actually if poetry needs to be made better. The direction of any art is clear only in hindsight. At any given time it is hard to tell innovators from what Ezra Pound called "the starters of crazes." Knowing the tradition is important, knowing it as far back as you can is important. But it is hard to say how that knowledge should be reflected in the poetry you write. I have been struck lately by references to the Modernist tradition. Exactly how that tradition is defined is unclear, but those who make the references tend to be arguing for radical disruption of language and meaning, as if that were the only legacy of Modernism. Life is too short to have to read such writing, even if it is justified by the Modernist tradition. So this is a rather longwinded way of saying that I think a long view of tradition, past the 20th century, ought to give us a poetry that can reflect the realities of our time in
forms and language that Shakespeare or Milton or Keats or Emily Dickinson or Marianne Moore would understand.
 
 
A. E. Stallings
 
Well, I'm not sure I like the adjective "professional," though I have no other employment at present. And I agree with Rachel Hadas' quotation from Auden—I don't feel like a poet unless I am actually writing a poem.

I suppose I became a poet—and remain one—by a strong and stubborn desire to write poems. I guess it just seemed like something I could do. Rather hubristic, in retrospect. Maybe my first "poem"—at nine or so—resulted from a strong desire to have written Blake's "Tyger, Tyger" myself. And so I composed an imitation (in the same meter, on the same topic), which I thought was original at the time.

As for influences—that's difficult. My favorite poet, the one I turn to most often, is Housman, but I'm not sure he is actually that much of an influence. One of the most important encounters I've had is with Catullus. It was during a Catullus seminar in college that I realized that his work seemed more modern to me than that of the Modernists, and certainly than most contemporary poets. He was able to be colloquial, witty, sublime, obscene, to write on any topic from stolen napkins to dead sparrows—and all in exquisite, almost architectural, form. It was a revelation.

As for the state of poetry today, it seems very healthy and diverse to me. There is a lot of good poetry being written. The infrastructure of the poetry establishment may be a different matter, but that has little to do with the state of poetry itself.
  

 
Diane Thiel
 
I’ve never termed myself a “professional” poet. Maybe it's the way the words sound together. In most circles, I’ve shied away from even calling myself a “poet,” although I always liked it when people introduced me as one, especially when I had not yet published widely. I’ve had other full-time employment all my adult life for support (mostly teaching — at the University level and working with children), but poetry remained a constant — a calling. I was glad to see that some people could see how much it was a primary identity for me.

I can’t remember *not* writing poetry, truly. My earliest influences were my German grandmother (I elaborate on this in the “translation” topic) and my mother (who made up rhymes daily for her children, many with our names...like Sam’s famed 1999 West Chester clerihews!)

So many poets have been vital for me — but I’ll name a few major influences: Yeats, Jeffers, Frost, Bishop, Auden, Rilke, Hayden, Bogan, Dickinson. But I also admit, I appreciate what I have learned from all the “schools” — one way of thinking often “charges” another for me.
 

 
R. S. Gwynn
 
A poet is a professional if he or she gets paid for the effort. At least this is what the IRS leads me to believe on the subject. I am happy to have a day job—automotive repair can be quite lucrative. And the poetry feeds off it. When I get my hands on a good, greasy carburetor I can feel those iambs beginning to pump. Brake shoes always start sonnets for me. I can't explain it—the Muse is in those shoes.

The first poets I saw in the flesh are the recently departed A. D. Hope and Richard Wilbur. I was impressed. I'm afraid my influences haven't ranged very far since then. I didn't write poetry until my undergraduate days, having taken a stab at fiction first. I felt there was too much punctuation in fiction to make it a viable alternative for me, and, being fundamentally lazy, the idea of compression was really appealing. If they call you a genius for fourteen lines why write 4000 words? Is there something of the con-artist in most poets? Possibly.

Of course, the main appeal of the thing is that it's fun. There's nothing better than the feeling one gets when it's really humming along and it's 2 a.m. and that final line just falls into place. Beside this, all else is dross.
  

 

 

        

 
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