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Terese Coe 01-27-2013 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by John Whitworth (Post 271987)
The law here is an ass, Terese. People habitually say things on blogs which you would have thought would be prosecuted under that stuff about saying racist things. Mind you, the government and the vile EU are working on it. They want to regulate the internet, well of course they do.

"Regulate" is the euphemism for "profit from" in most cases and it's well under way, John. Internationally too. I can't imagine any place where the law is more addle-brained than here though.

Only one example (as I'm sure you know): Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, where the US Supreme Court decided that the First Amendment prohibited the government from restricting independent political expenditures by corporations and unions.

And unions are a mere shadow of their former selves, so the most profitable corporations have become major threats to fair elections.

Brian Allgar 01-27-2013 12:59 PM

Never mind blogs and the Internet, John. At Hyde Park Corner, you can still say things that, anywhere else, would have you hanged for treason.

At least, you could the last time I took my soap-box there.

Bill Greenwell 01-28-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mary McLean (Post 271813)
Chorleywood's a lovely place -- I used to live there. In the servants' quarters, essentially. On reflection, yes, bomb it. Bomb it flat.

I think you're both right to focus on types of people not places. It felt uncomfortable to write about a place -- I'm sure Betjeman could never have done it after WWII.

Oddly enough, my research has just found the first publication of Betjeman's other bomb poem (In Westminster Abbey) - in New Statesman on 23 September 1939, under the pseudonym Archibald Oldys!
Bill

John Whitworth 01-28-2013 08:46 PM

It can't have been a competition entry though - too long.

basil ransome-davies 01-29-2013 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Greenwell (Post 272126)
Oddly enough, my research has just found the first publication of Betjeman's other bomb poem (In Westminster Abbey) - in New Statesman on 23 September 1939, under the pseudonym Archibald Oldys!
Bill

At least in that one it's the enemy who are to be bombed, albeit on the plea of a selfish, snobbish 'lady'.

Jayne Osborn 01-29-2013 04:23 AM

What an entertaining thread. I've just read it all in one go (having been AWOL for some time, for various reasons. Did anyone miss me?)

Frank's entry is excellent, others too.

It's great to be back here. All the "D & A people" in one room would be such a hoot! :D

Jayne

Mary McLean 01-29-2013 05:41 AM

Yes we did miss you Jayne! Welcome back. I hope the renovations went well.

Jayne Osborn 01-29-2013 09:19 AM

Thanks, Mary. It escalated from just renovations (did I really say just ? ) to a month's illness, plus two family crises...

... but, as my husband likes to remind me: "What can't be cured must be endured."

Notwithstanding everything, I couldn't stay away from my lovely friends, like you, any longer! :)

Jayne

John Whitworth 01-29-2013 10:15 AM

We all missed you, Jayne. Welcome back.

Douglas G. Brown 01-30-2013 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by John Whitworth (Post 271987)
The law here is an ass, Terese. People habitually say things on blogs which you would have thought would be prosecuted under that stuff about saying racist things. Mind you, the government and the vile EU are working on it. They want to regulate the internet, well of course they do.

John,
Maybe the trick is to write of an event as if the N was in some distant future age, reflecting on the past; which is the method of many science fiction writers.

For example;

When neutron bombs hit Washington
A public service had been done;
No bureaucrat, not even one
Remained alive.

No pulsing neuron did remain
Of any legislative brain;
And, joining the untimely slain -
Judicial jive.

The White House of the President
Contained no breathing resident.
The city seemed so hesitant,
With no one home.

No longer swaying world events,
Its bronze and marble monuments
Stood as a ruin not equaled since
The fall of Rome.

Peter Goulding 01-31-2013 03:33 PM

If the task is "to re-write Slough," does that imply you stick to the AAAB CCCB rhyme?

I've reserved my ire for Killarney but not in that rhyme scheme. Should I re-write?

Jayne Osborn 01-31-2013 03:52 PM

Peter,

Firstly, a warm welcome to Eratosphere, and especially to D & A.

There are no hard and fast rules, as such, for The Speccie comp (apart from 16 lines max and keeping to the theme), though to "re-write" a poem would seem to indicate that a parody is called for, in my opinion. But you don't necessarily have to keep to the original rhyme scheme!

I would suggest that you submit your Killarney entry as it is; you can always offer Lucy an alternative version as well :)

Good luck.

Jayne

John Whitworth 01-31-2013 04:52 PM

Peter, Multiple submissions are not only in order, they increase your chances of winning. Don't forget to use an alias but alwy give your own name and address.

Chris O'Carroll 01-31-2013 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Goulding (Post 272435)
If the task is "to re-write Slough," does that imply you stick to the AAAB CCCB rhyme?

I've reserved my ire for Killarney but not in that rhyme scheme. Should I re-write?

Based on my own losing and winning experiences in comparable comps, I'd bet that all the prizes will go to poems that replicate Betjeman's meter and rhyme scheme. (If I'm wrong about what the judge is looking for, it won't be the first time. That's why I have losing as well as winning experience to draw on.)

Jayne Osborn 01-31-2013 05:46 PM

I'm sure you're right, Chris, that a Betjemanesque version is called for here.
"Slough" has such a distinctive metre and rhyme scheme that I can't really see that a re-write could be done in anything other than the same ones.

But you never know...

Nothing in life (or poetry) surprises me any more! :rolleyes:

Jayne

Brian Allgar 02-01-2013 01:12 AM

Well, I hope there's a bit of leeway. I stuck to the rhyme-scheme, and to the metre, except that my fourth lines were slightly longer than the original 4-syllable ones ... I used an extra foot, in which I may have shot myself.

Brian Allgar 02-01-2013 06:00 AM

(This seems a good opportunity to have another go at my bete noire)

Come, friendly bombs, and fall on Gates,
The man whom every user hates
For putting us in desperate straits -
Admit it, you do!

When Windows hits the “screen of death”,
We grit our teeth and hold our breath,
Or growl some Luddite shibboleth
And turn to voodoo.

A little figure made of wax
Impaled with pins or carpet-tacks;
Yet somehow this solution lacks
A proper blitz.

So tumble, bombs, your goal awaits,
Obliterate his solid states,
And, like his software, let’s see Gates
Reduced to bits.

Douglas G. Brown 02-01-2013 06:56 AM

Brian,
Brilliant! This ought to win first prize.

Jerome Betts 02-01-2013 07:24 AM

Yes, nice one, Brian. Love 'Luddite shibboleth'! (Capital L as from name Ludd?)

Slight stumble in Line 4?

Janice D. Soderling 02-01-2013 07:28 AM

D&A is the best board on the Internet. What a collection of witty, lovable, laughable. disrespectful. international TALENT.

John Whitworth 02-01-2013 07:54 AM

Well, of course it is. The trouble is they are all so bloody brilliant I can never get a winner these days. In particular the blessed Algar and his many aliases (mutter, mutter, mutter)

Brian Allgar 02-01-2013 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerome Betts (Post 272494)
Yes, nice one, Brian. Love 'Luddite shibboleth'! (Capital L as from name Ludd?)

Slight stumble in Line 4?

Thanks, Douglas and Jerome.

Capital L duly applied, Jerome. The apparent stumble was a question of emphasis, now made explicit:

Admit it, you do!

Peter Goulding 02-02-2013 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayne Osborn (Post 272439)
Peter,

There are no hard and fast rules, as such, for The Speccie comp (apart from 16 lines max and keeping to the theme), though to "re-write" a poem would seem to indicate that a parody is called for, in my opinion. But you don't necessarily have to keep to the original rhyme scheme!

I would suggest that you submit your Killarney entry as it is; you can always offer Lucy an alternative version as well :)

Thanks to all for the advice. Maybe I'll leave Killarney for now. Would I get away with the non-rhyming fourth line below, or am I being a bit too smart?

Go, friendly bombs, and rain on Seoul
and everywhere from pole to pole
not under the direct control
of Kim Jong-un.

The world will pay for its aggression
towards our freedom of expression.
There’ll be no mercy or concession
from Kim Jong-un.

Our glorious guns will raze the earth
from north to south and round its girth,
provoking most magnificent mirth
in Kim Jong-un.

Then our benevolent paradigm
will rule unto the end of time.
No mortal word is fit to rhyme
with Kim Jong-un.

Maybe if I submitted under the alias Kim Jong-un?

Brian Allgar 02-02-2013 08:38 AM

I like it, Peter! Actually, it's not true to say that the fourth line doesn't rhyme, but rather that it's the same rhyme every time - appropriately enough for a depiction of monomania.

My only quibble is with the metre of this line:

provoking most magnificent mirth

How about this?

provoking most stupendous mirth

("Benevolent" in the last stanza has a similar problem, but in a much milder form - the contraction "benev'lent" is quite common, and to my ear perfectly acceptable.)

Douglas G. Brown 02-02-2013 08:50 AM

Peter,
This is very good. I have a South Korean friend, who watches South Korean TV on Dish Network, and this guy is always made out as a real nutcase ... even more so then in our media.
Perhaps you might consider substituting "my celestial" for "our benevolent", since Mr. Kim seems to think that he is equivalent to some ancient dynastic Chinese emporer.

Brian Allgar 02-02-2013 09:00 AM

I second Douglas's suggestion, though I think "our celestial" would be better. And it makes a nice foil to "mortal" in the penultimate line.

Jerome Betts 02-02-2013 09:35 AM

Welcome aboard, Peter. Ingenious piece. I think Brian's point about the appropriateness of the identity rhymes is very good.

In any case, you provide a relevant justification in the last stanza.

I would guess that 'rewriting' means produce something that has some recognisable relationship to the original and you've kept the distinctive AAA CCC four foot lines.

You have one set of feminine rhymes, whereas my entry had three. I just don't know whether this departure from Betjeman's exclusively masculine rhyme scheme disqualifies or not, but I wouldn't have thought so, as the other Betjemanian markers are there.

For a fraction of a second I thought you'd added a new twist with 'Seoul' as an anagram of 'Slough'. Nearly - maybe one of the medieval spellings?

Good luck to us all.

Peter Goulding 02-03-2013 05:17 AM

Many thanks to all for the welcome and the feedback. You are quite right - both magnificent and benevolent jar.
Our celestial is much better. Thanks!

John Whitworth 02-03-2013 06:29 AM

I don''t se why you haven't got a winner here. At any rate it's in the frame, particularly after Brian's amendments. Make use of your Roget to find the words that scan best.

Jayne Osborn 02-03-2013 07:24 AM

Yes, nice one, Peter!

Just wondering, though - it seems a tad clichéd to say unto the end of time when the rest of the language is up-to-date; wouldn't "until the end of time" do just as well?

This is so original and unusual that I hope you get a prize for it :)

Jayne

Brian Allgar 02-03-2013 01:20 PM

So, summing up the various suggestions you've received, the last two stanzas could be:

Our glorious guns will raze the earth
from north to south and round its girth,
provoking most stupendous mirth
in Kim Jong-un.

Then our celestial paradigm
will rule until the end of time.
No mortal word is fit to rhyme
with Kim Jong-un.

But as John has sometimes remarked, why on earth are we trying to help you to beat us? I can only put it down to the sheer magnanimity of spirit that prevails on this site.

John Whitworth 02-03-2013 02:56 PM

It matters not who won or lost
But how they played the game.

Or however it goes. Why you have not won money in that competition, Brian, I cannot imagine. But then there re those who suppose that X, Y and Z are poets whereas....

Jayne Osborn 02-03-2013 04:41 PM

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...why on earth are we trying to help you to beat us? I can only put it down to the sheer magnanimity of spirit that prevails on this site.
Too right, Brian. We are exceedingly generous, helpful, NICE people, here - and if anyone dares to argue with that I'll smash their face in.

Jayne

Brian Allgar 02-04-2013 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Whitworth (Post 272841)
It matters not who won or lost
But how they played the game.

Or however it goes. Why you have not won money in that competition, Brian, I cannot imagine. But then there re those who suppose that X, Y and Z are poets whereas....

To say "It matters not who won
Or lost" is, frankly, tosh.
What counts, when all is said and done,
Is: Did you get the dosh?

Lance Levens 02-05-2013 11:23 AM

On does grow tired of being whipped.
My partner "Gerald" has often quipped
that masochists lack all discrimination.
I'l confess: any time, any nation
I'm up for some maso-flagellation.

But now the whole country can scream,
twisting and writhing: an S and M dream!
Just hearing a jet as he soars over head,
I pray he'll drop it right into my bed,
a juicy Brucy to light me bright red!

George Simmers 02-06-2013 04:46 AM

Here's my last-minute attempt. Since it doesn't abide by the sensible advice earlier in the thread, to stick to Betjeman's stanza-pattern, it's maybe not in with a chance, but I enjoyed writing it anyway.


Come friendly bombs, and fall on Albert Square,
Where life becomes more cheesy than Gruyere
As scripting hacks probe lazily the 'issues'
That get the simple reaching for their tissues.
Fall, bombs, on matriarchs and feckless men,
On Beales and Butchers, Mo and Dot and Den,
For all speak clichés from the cheapest shelf:
'Babe, he ain't worth it,' and 'Don't blame yourself.'
They whinge and weep, and have affairs, and fight,
And (arguments being easiest to write)
Spend half their lives in crass factitious quarrels,
In plotlines patly pointing P.C. morals.
So fall, bombs, fall, till not one single brick
Remains of that unlovely hole, the Vic.
Then, when the devastation is complete,
Head northwards, please, to Coronation Street.

Jerome Betts 02-06-2013 04:53 AM

And I enjoyed reading this, George! First class demolition job! It meets Mary Mclean's unease about wishing bombs on real places too. Hope it confounds the cautious 'stick to JB's metre and rhyme-scheme' approach and scores with Lucy as something out of the usual path.

John Whitworth 02-06-2013 04:56 AM

I don't see why it has to stick close to Betjeman. She doesn't say so. You're right about Albert Square, George. Kill them all!

Jayne Osborn 02-06-2013 05:48 AM

Oh, that's brilliant, George! It echoes my sentiments exactly. Watch Eastenders? I would sooner take out my own appendix with a spoon!

Here's my last-minute entry: I must point out that not a single word of it is true!

Come, friendly bombs, and fall on he
who chose a life of misery,
not for himself, of course, for ME!
His lawful spouse.

At first he seemed the perfect mate
but I did not have long to wait
for love to die. I came to hate
the awful louse.

But he’s in for a mighty shock –
I’ve pulled the plug; no more wedlock
for me. Ha! How his friends will mock.
His wife’s turned gay.

So, hit him with another shell
and send him to his private hell.
I love her, she loves me as well,
OK? Oh, Kay!

Brian Allgar 02-06-2013 07:30 AM

I enjoyed your piece, George, although I have to say (and am thankful to be able to do so) that with the exception of Coronation Street, the references are all lost on me. But I got the gist sufficiently to realise that you have selected eminently worthy targets.

I enjoyed yours too, Jayne, and am glad to learn that it is entirely fiction. How fitting, too, that the last two words should be the title of a musical by Gershwin and ... P.G. Wodehouse!


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