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Jan D. Hodge 01-23-2002 02:26 PM

Nice try, Carol. And thanks for trying. But seeing what kind of post gets a reply, and what doesn't, sure takes the fun out of this for some of us. One last stab to retrieve both the thread and the reputation of a lovely little form:

Ponder our ancestor,
Australopithecus:
he'd no idea what
he would become;
maybe that proves that in
antediluvian
times it already was
smart to be dumb.

Cheers,
Jan

Roger Slater 01-23-2002 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jan D. Hodge:

Ponder our ancestor,
Australopithecus:
he'd no idea what
he would become;
maybe that proves that in
antediluvian
times it already was
smart to be dumb.

Ponder our progeny,
children yet born to us,
living in satellites
up in the sky.

Hurling through Outer Space,
far from the Earth we loved,
they'll be the human race
after we die.

Jan D. Hodge 01-23-2002 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Roger Slater:
As far as metrics are concerned, I won't claim perfection, and I'll admit that the reader must play along somewhat and allow the line breaks to create a sort of comical dactylic cadence, but I believe you are once again mistaken if you think my ditty wasn't essentially dactylic. The first stanza, for example:

HARDly, Jim. YOU deceive
YOUR fragile EEgo if
YOU tell it TO believe
YOU gave as well

Any reader with any kind of ear would be willing to hear the double dactyls here. . . .

By contrast, let's look at your sterling example:

ROGery-DODGery
CRYing in THE kitchen
PLEADS to his MOTHer
that it's too hot

it's hard to justify accenting "the" in the second line. . . .

Not that any of this is a crime. This is the "fun" forum, not a place where we expect critique or perfection.


I choose to steer well clear of the personal exchange here, and I also agree that "this is the 'fun' forum, not the place where we expect critique or perfection." Still, I think I've demonstrated a fair mastery of this fine form in other posts and on other threads, and so offer an observation purely on the metrical argument here.

"CRYing in THE kitchen" is definitely a stretch, but any more so than "HARDly Jim YOU deceive" [my tin ear hears something more like: / - / | | / - /, which has a pleasant lilt of its own] or "YOUR fragile EEgo if" [I hear - / - / - ', nice iambic trimeter, though that last stress is pretty light] or "YOU tell it TO believe" [I hear - / - ' - /; hmmm, iambic trimeter again, that stress on "TO" surely being as hard to justify as the one on "THE"]?

This reader would be quite willing to "play along" and hear a dactylic cadence, even a "comic" one, but can't seem to do so. Alas, rhythm shouldn't reside SOLELY in the ear of the writer. Sorry. But all in fun.

Cheers,
Jan [member of OPIDD -- the Order to Preserve
the Integrity of the Double Dactyl]

Roger Slater 01-24-2002 06:35 AM

Withdrawn.

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Jan D. Hodge 01-24-2002 07:42 AM

Hi, Roger--

I have precious little appetite for street brawls over trivia, and would never have commented on your metrics here had you not explicitly made exaggerated claims for your ditty at Jim's expense. Though your remarks on his metrical failures may well have been warranted, I sensed more than a bit of pot and kettle.

I too sometimes "stretch" natural readings to maintain dactylic cadence, relying on the momentum of the rhythm to span the chasm:

Fatal astronomy!
Nicholas Romanov,
last on the throne of the
great Russian czars,
must have been blind to the
incontrovertible
family fate written
red in the stars.

(I trust the reader to play along and indulge the attempt to avoid stresses on "Russian" and "written" here. Even so, this d-d is not entirely successful rhythmically.)

But there are stretches and there are stretches, and in this case your additional rhyme on "deceive/believe" ironically calls even more attention to those words, working against your wish to downplay the stresses on their final syllables. "YOU tell it TO believe" (natural iambic) is begging as huge an indulgence as "CRYing in THE kitchen" (natural trochaic), especially since in context the stress you want on "YOU" is dramatically and rhetorically highly suspect.

Yes, your "Ponder our progeny" works metrically and in other regards (though your waiving the "required" d-d word in l. 6 makes your triumph less than complete). My compliments on it, but that wasn't the issue here.

Cheers,
Jan

Roger Slater 01-24-2002 08:08 AM

Jan, I didn't know there was a required d-d word in L6. Live and learn.

Carol Taylor 01-24-2002 08:14 AM

Roger, here's a great link on dd's. You'll find out they do get in your blood.
http://www.stinky.com/dactyl/dactyl.html

Carol

Robert Swagman 01-30-2002 09:57 PM

Never tried one of these. Let me see...

Floppily - moppily
Old Albert Einstein had
Frizzy white hair like a
Janitor's mop.

He proved mathematically,
Quite catagorically,
What matters is inside
Not on the top.

Roger Slater 02-03-2002 03:23 PM

Titan of writing verse,
Emily Dickinson
hardly would budge from her
Amherst abode.

Draped in white garments she
agoraphobically
wrote secret books that she
secretly sewed.

She could not grasp the world
unmetaphysically
so she developed her
own special code.

I am so grateful for
Emily Dickinson
and for the poems her great
genius bestowed.

Roger Slater 02-04-2002 09:55 AM




<FONT >"Higgledy piggledy"
doesn't mean squat to me.
If you have something to
say please rephrase.


Don't ask a lot of me.
Since my lobotomy
words are no longer a
game my mind plays.


</FONT s>

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Hugh Clary 02-04-2002 12:54 PM


Torchery-Sorcery
Joan of Arc, heretic
Burned at the stake though the
Battles she won,

Met up with Peter, who
Welcomed the maiden with
Epigrammatical
"Greetings, well done!"


Curtis Gale Weeks 02-13-2002 02:27 PM

Normally-Formally
Curtis is following
Dactyls around and a-
Round with a curse:

Probably typically
Mad since he cannot be
Complementarily
Straight and per-verse.


Roger Slater 02-13-2002 04:17 PM

Edison said it's in
sweat and not genius that
true inspiration comes,
but don't forget

lightbulbs are here because,
coincidentally,
genius instructed him
where he should sweat.

Jan D. Hodge 02-16-2002 05:17 PM

Misery-fisery,
cold-shouldered Romeo,
not at all liking the
chill that he felt,

went out to buy her a
manocryometer,
hoping to see if his
sweetie would melt.
.
.
.
.

manocryometer: "an instrument for determining the variations in the freezing or melting point of substances with changes in pressure."

Jan

bear_music 02-16-2002 07:15 PM

GOOD one, Jan!

(music)

Jan D. Hodge 02-17-2002 11:15 AM

Thanks, music.

Roger Slater 02-19-2002 02:19 PM

DIRTY DACTYLS

Penis and testicle,
Vulva and labia,
Represent aspects of
One and the same

Human endeavor that
Some folks combine till they've
Hermaphroditically
Lit their own flame.

Solan 02-28-2002 06:45 AM

Trying out rhymes again

Logical schmogical
Johnnie von Neumann's gal
bought him a matrix with
vectors and tea.

Sillily hillbilly
Bob bought his nil-willy
sister a Valentine's
card and a rose.

Happily pappily
Kira took grappily
Solan's long beard in the
fist of her hand.

Always the Borges friend
Trying out rhymes again
Greetings good fellows, I'm
back in the game.


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Svein Olav

.. another life

Curtis Gale Weeks 03-27-2002 09:24 PM

Quad/wrangle

Formerly-normerly
Curtis is certainly
grammatologically
skewing his verse:

fitting his syntax a-
round a lone wording that's
hapax legomenon
Can it get worse?

<dir><dir>*</dir></dir>

Shrilliest-deifist
shouting his name: "Well it's
Gaius Petronius
born on the West

Coast of America
touting the coming of
Exobiologist
X," you suggest.

<dir><dir>*</dir></dir>

Flibbertigibbet, you
mean, if he's anything—
abiogenisis
has a new model:

wordiest-curdiest
springer of dirtiest
rhythms and meters that're
lifeless as dottle.

<dir><dir>*</dir></dir>

Shmokin'ly-brokenly
Curtis is tokin' the
pipe that will never be
making its rounds:

extrajudicially
puffing his lunacy—

"Purposive blowing of
smoke that abounds?"


—C.


VictoriaGaile 03-27-2002 09:49 PM

Hope

Feathery-weathery,
Emily Dickinson
Wrote of the small bird that
Perches and sings.

I hope that Emily
Paradisiacally
Flutters with angels on
Heavenly wings.

Victoria Gaile

Robert Swagman 04-05-2002 03:35 PM

Weatherhed-fetherhed
Emily Dickinson
where is that small bird that
perches and sings?

It's found a stone statue
somebody made of you,
sits on your marble head
{and other things}.


Sorry, it's been a crappy day *groan*



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Curtis Gale Weeks 04-05-2002 04:03 PM

Obstacle-lobstacle!
Alex has ardently
(characteristically)
stomped a few bugs:

maybe his Nikes are
slippery-slickery--
cytotaxonomists
sift through his rugs.

--C.

hector 04-08-2002 08:50 AM

Hopalong plopalong
Talleyrand-Perigord,
Under the monarchy
Priest, lover, wit.

Rising to eminence
Napoleonically,
Until dismissed as a
Sock full of shit.

My first poetry since my long forgotten adolescence, when poetry erupted like acne!

Jerry Glenn Hartwig 01-05-2003 04:42 PM

Time to bring this thread back to the top for a while. I'm getting tired of iambics...


Chivalry-trivalry
Sir Walter Raleigh did
lay down his over cloak -
for it was seen!

But understandably
that was his livelihood
thinking up more ways to
brown-nose the Queen.



RosaRugosa 01-06-2003 09:25 AM

Snortily-sportily,
youthful George W
squandered his brain cells on
more than just pot.

Everyone says that he's
not too intelligent,
though he was smart enough
not to get caught.

Mopily-dopily,
federal prisoners
rot in their cells for pos-
session of drugs.

Stupid suspension of
citizens' liberties
ups the net worth of Co-
lombian thugs.


Jerry Glenn Hartwig 01-06-2003 04:37 PM

Dope-ily mope-ily
Crack's little children are
constantly crying for
relief from pain

all because parents are
mope-ily dope-ily
abusing their liberties
again and again

Zita Zenda 01-07-2003 10:12 AM

Liberties? Fliberties!
Medical prophecies
only encourage this
"crackpot idea" ;

prenatal punishment
stems from just one parent’s
physiological
need too feel "free"-er.


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RosaRugosa 01-07-2003 06:10 PM

Crackery-quackery,
verbal side-trackery,
used to impose Prohib-
ition again.

Blackity-flakkity,
studied statistically,
drugs arrests heavily target black men .

Prisony-wizeny,
poor people languish in
jail till they're old, for a
trivial crime .

Hollywood-Jollywood,
wealthy celebrities
do what they want and are
pardoned each time .

Jerry Glenn Hartwig 01-08-2003 10:08 AM

Sickly-Domesticly
beat up their spouses and
screw up the children the
rest of the time,

using their vehicles
flattening pedestrians-
abusing a drug is a
trivial crime?

RosaRugosa 01-08-2003 11:04 AM

Shady-debaty,
with dubious logic, you
punish potentially
possible crime.

Punish the actual
deed that's committed, not
those you predict will oc-
cur in good time.


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Jerry Glenn Hartwig 01-08-2003 11:37 AM

Liberty-schmiberty
RosaRugosa girl
"poor little me's" who
would do what they please

"Let's not take action til
somebody else has died -
just treat the symptom and
leave the disease."




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RosaRugosa 01-08-2003 12:23 PM

Treatment-defeatment,
is that what you call putting
people in prison for
what they inhale?

"Put 'em in prison with
rapists and murderers!"
Why not as well put all
drinkers in jail?


Jerry Glenn Hartwig 01-08-2003 02:11 PM

Excellent-Schmexcellent
RosaRugosa lass
that seems an ideal sug-
gestion to do

Taxpayers won't have to
pay for their weaknesses
and rapist and murderers
need something to do

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RosaRugosa 01-08-2003 02:39 PM

Jerry-so-merry, you'd
close all the bars--except
those used to keep every-
one in their cage?

Under your plan, there would
be no one left to pay
taxes! (Your parties must
be all the rage.)

Roger Slater 01-08-2003 02:54 PM

Taxpayers, shmaxpayers,
potsmokers don’t deserve
being compared to the
folks who imbibe.

Harmless fun’s all it is.
Things would be different if
cannibis lobbyists
knew whom to bribe.

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Sharon Passmore 01-08-2003 04:37 PM

Microscopes Telescopes
prysms and eyeglasses,
everyone here has their
own point of view.

Three thousand members will
never see eye to eye.
Let's just write poetry.
Sound good to you?

Zita Zenda 01-08-2003 05:02 PM

Sounds good Sharon, but I had this ready just before I hit refresh...

Politics… Frolitics…
Master poetasters in
argumentation of
liberty’s high

ranking officials’ lack-
luster, shy-lobbyists,
heterogeneous
numbers that lie…

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Jerry Glenn Hartwig 01-08-2003 05:04 PM

Telescopes Microscopes
eyeglasses prisms it
would be a dull world with the
same point of view

Discussing them metrically
practicing dactyllics
writing our poetry
was what we were do
ing

*grin*

You'd have loved the next one, though - it was a tear-jerker.

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Zita Zenda 01-08-2003 05:48 PM

Eyeglasses Highclasses
dactyl practitioners
loving the art that they
patiently do

doubly delirious
debates on decorum
wit interjected at
end of S2


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Jerry Glenn Hartwig 01-08-2003 06:22 PM

dactylic diplomat
Zita-our-zbaby
calming the waters when
crap gets too deep

Lord, how I wish you would
please change that signature
I always think that you've
fallen asleep



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