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John Whitworth 09-26-2017 06:48 AM

WTF is CHUDS?

Am I the only Conservative here? Shame on you all, sheep that you are. As for Les Murray on Quadrant, I do not consider him a racist or a homophobe, though he is a Roman Catholic which probably doesn't endear him to you.

It's probably true that the Left poetry tends to formless drivel. Name me one good poet of the last century on the left? MacNeice I grant you. Auden I don't.

Quadrant have recently accepted a piece by me on Dorothy L Sayers, another papistical person. Dearie me.

Woody Long 09-26-2017 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by John Whitworth (Post 402758)
It's probably true that the Left poetry tends to formless drivel. Name me one good poet of the last century on the left?

Bob Dylan.

What's good poetry is in the mind of the beholder.

The Nobel counts for something. Poetic effect on a great multitude counts even more. One example here.

It was written and recorded in the same year as the killing, in the midst of the struggle. Like much folk balladry and song, the words are supported by the music, but the words carry the message.

— Woody

John Isbell 09-26-2017 08:28 AM

To stick with English-language Nobel prizewinners for the moment, I think neither Walcott, nor Heaney, nor Brodsky could be claimed by conservatives. Conservatives may have to go back to Eliot and Yeats for the Nobel...
And again, we're sticking to English.

Cheers,
John

NB and thus excluding say George Seferis, Salvatore Quasimodo, or Jaroslav Seifert.

Rick Mullin 09-26-2017 03:54 PM

Are you listening to New Yorker podcasts again, Quincy? ARE YOU LISTENING TO NEW YORKER PODCASTS AGAIN, QUINCY??? ~,:^0

Max Goodman 09-27-2017 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by John Whitworth (Post 402758)
Name me one good poet of the last century on the left?

Well, there was that bleeding heart Larkin, always crying about the mistreatment of animals or complaining when profits caused a little pollution. "That will be England gone," he wrote, fearing England might not protect enough of it's natural environment. Damned tree hugger!

John Whitworth 09-27-2017 05:43 AM

Come, come, Max. Larkin is not on the left. I would hazard that most people who like animals are on the right. Indeed lefties are always saying that.

Bob Dylan, Woody. You jest. The Nobel prize has been given to the most dreadful people. Have a look and see.N

Roger Slater 09-27-2017 07:28 AM

According to an interview I just read of our own AM Juster, "Richard Wilbur is not a conservative poet. He is a poet from the far left." I think you would agree he was (and is) a good poet.

Quincy Lehr 09-27-2017 11:42 AM

Wilbur's a poet of the "far left"? He's a New Deal liberal. As were a great many people of his generation. He isn't going around writing the sequel to Louis Aragon's "Front Rouge" or anything like that.

Aaron Novick 09-27-2017 12:17 PM

To the American right, that's the definition of "far left," though.

Roger Slater 09-27-2017 01:01 PM

I agree, Quincy, but I think he's liberal enough to be an exception to the Whitworth Rule.


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