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Brian Allgar 02-29-2016 08:12 AM

Bob, I gave your post a cursory examination, and I think my answer is "No". Or maybe "Yes".

Max Goodman 02-29-2016 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Slater (Post 367300)
what precisely is the problem with redundancy?

At the risk of being redundant (both of my last two posts, including this present one, are exactly the same (and, yes, I went out of my way to make that as intentionally redundant as I could possibly make it--on purpose)):

While in many cases there is no problem, being vigilant about redundancy requires us to think about our words; pointing out redundancies encourages (and in some cases might help) others do the same.

Matt Q 02-29-2016 09:40 AM

You can say that again.

Carolyn Thomas-Coxhead 03-01-2016 11:39 AM

In, on or at Cambridge Station yesterday I was invited to sit tight while the two sections of the train were "coupled together".

Carolyn Thomas-Coxhead 03-01-2016 04:31 PM

PS

"in three short weeks..."
"in just two brief months..." grrrrrrr

Jayne Osborn 03-01-2016 05:38 PM

I recently heard "We shared the same taxi" - I'd like to have seen them share a different one.

We all know what people mean, so there's not a lack of communication - only a lack of precision with the language. It doesn't make me cringe the way that seeing something like "Your a really good friend" does!

Roger Slater 03-02-2016 07:29 AM

Jayne, what would you say about a sentence like, "I'm wearing the same shoes I wore yesterday"? If you left out the word "same," it wouldn't change the literal meaning (I don't think), but somehow it doesn't sound redundant. Does it to you?

Roger Slater 03-02-2016 08:17 AM

I was just reading an article by Matt Taibbi on George W. Bush. I thought this apropos:
Quote:

"It's very important for folks to understand that when there's more trade, there's more commerce" was a classic Bush formulation. "Our nation must come together to unite" was another. One of my favorites was: "I understand that the unrest in the Middle East creates unrest throughout the region."


Lightning Bug 03-02-2016 09:34 AM

Watching John Cusak's "The Raven" this morning, I caught two in one line of "Annabelle Lee":..."neither the angels in Heaven above, nor the demons down under the sea,...".

Here where I live, the second may be arguable, though, as I have often heard the phrase "up under". ["It ran up under the chester drawers."]

Roger Slater 03-02-2016 11:18 AM

Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
How I wonder what you are!
Up above the world so high,
Like a diamond in the sky.


Hmm, I always knew it was redundant to say "twinkle" twice, but I hadn't considered "up above."

Douglas G. Brown 03-02-2016 02:27 PM

"Meteoric Rise" is one that irks me, especially since it is 180 degrees out of whack, since meteors never rise, but only fall.

Roger Slater 03-02-2016 03:44 PM

I think it refers to the fact that meteors are very fast.

Julie Steiner 03-02-2016 06:00 PM

You might like this, Douglas.

Erik Olson 03-02-2016 10:12 PM

Meteors fall not rise and then they burn quickly out. I guess Pope's use of meteor is more to my understanding of how meteors really behave.

Wit shoots in vain its momentary fires,
The meteor drops, and in a flash expires.

Ann Drysdale 03-03-2016 01:03 AM

Seems to me they couldn't fall anywhere if they hadn't riz somewhere; the subsequent fall is implied in the phrase, as Erik suggests.


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