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Michael Cantor 07-02-2018 02:21 PM

I'm curious. Does anybody actually use Timothy's techniques outside of a classroom? Does anybody actually use it to help write a poem, as opposed to using it after the fact to analyze somebody else's poem (or your own), or to pad a paper?

Jan Iwaszkiewicz 07-02-2018 03:06 PM

let me preface this with the fact that I have not read Steele's book.

The original concept of four part scansion I believe was part of a monograph written for the New South Wales Teachers' College by Alexander Derwent Hope I have not seen this and have only had it referenced.

James McAuley (he of Ern Malley fame or infamy lol) wrote of it in his collection of essays and writings The Grammar of the Real.

I find it the most useful tool in checking my work metrically.
Maybe the Hope/McAuley method is different to Steele's however I would recommend it to all formalists or those wishing to be.

Jan

Richard Meyer 07-02-2018 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Cantor (Post 420474)
I'm curious. Does anybody actually use Timothy's techniques outside of a classroom? Does anybody actually use it to help write a poem, as opposed to using it after the fact to analyze somebody else's poem (or your own), or to pad a paper?

Exactly the same questions I’ve asked myself, Michael. It’s amazing that Shakespeare, Milton, Dickinson, Frost, Millay, Wilbur ( and so on and so on and so on) ever managed to write a poem without access to a pedantic, overly-analytical, absurdly systematic rule book on versification.

Richard

RCL 07-02-2018 06:01 PM

It's not a rule book but an attempt at objective description of what poets actually do, consciously or not. Compare "Descriptive Grammar" with "Prescriptive Grammar."

Andrew Szilvasy 07-14-2018 01:39 PM

So, wow, finally caught up on the 'Sphere and I, uh, missed some things, huh?

Kevin Rainbow 08-05-2018 10:09 PM

Not all stresses are beats, of course. What I do is indicate word-stresses with capitalization and poetic beats with bold-print:

THAT'S my LAST DUCHess PAINTed on the WALL.


If you want more flexibility in your meter, use a more flexible meter. Perhaps avoid foot-oriented syllable stress poetry and write stress poetry instead. There's no point in using iambic meter, if you find yourself always wanting to bend it in a whole bunch of non-iambic ways.


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