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William A. Baurle 01-25-2013 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by R. Nemo Hill (Post 271827)
Just because it was faithful to the book doesn't make it a good movie, William. It seemed no more than an excuse for KB to take his shirt off. I think he is a 'spitter' in the worst sense. I've never liked him in anything. Even the great Robert Altman couldn't make me stomach him. I've learned my commercial film lesson: if Branagh is in it, or if Steven Spielberg directs it, I don't bother to see it.

Nemo

To your first sentence: no kidding? In the case of Frankenstein, which has been the source of many bad- to- mediocre films and an iconic character that have little relation to the novel (many people no doubt still think the monster's name is Frankenstein), faithfulness to the novel is important, because there are profound ethical, social, even theological points made in the narrative which should be transferred at least to some degree to a film based on it. At least that's my opinion.

I thought the film was very good. I enjoyed it, I've watched it several times, mostly for De Niro's amazing performance, his change from innocent/benevolent character to monster. I won't argue with you about Branagh, though, since he's not the reason I like the movie so much. But, I'd take my shirt off as often as I could if I looked like him.

You don't like Spielberg's films either? Wow.

William A. Baurle 01-25-2013 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Murphy (Post 271841)
There seems to be a consensus that Irons is the man for both jobs. But who should play young David and young Beowulf? He'd have to be tall, beautiful, and a hell of an actor to hold his own with the old kings.

Let's see: tall, beautiful: Jim Caviezel fits the bill, but at 44 he may be too old already. And I haven't seen enough of his work to judge his acting ability, though I loved him in Gibson's Passion, despite the fact that I can't watch signigifant amounts of that film. The opening scene, in the garden, is amazing.

Skip Dewahl 01-25-2013 05:50 PM

I'm also a fan of Jeremy ("Boris") Irons. Perhaps I shouldn't have been shocked when I read that he is not a fan of Downton Abby, despite his never having seen it, as he admits, but then most liberals show disfavor at most modern productions that are not multicultural. Had Jeremy watched the first year he would have witnessed how the show's writer, Julian Fellows, threw a bone to his constituency by having the eldest daughter of Lord Grantham be caught in flagrante delicto with the Turkish ambassador's son. Okay, he did die of a heart attack at it, but at least it was a bone thrown, however scarce the meat.
Tim, you don't suppose you could try to convince Jeremy to produce a biopic about Boris Karloff with him portraying this iconic actor of horror films?
Anyway, here's the link to the page where Jeremy mentions Downton Abby:

http://www.eonline.com/news/378923/j...to-ford-fiesta

Ah, before I forget, tonight at 9 central on PBS: Shakespeare Uncovered, with host Ethan Hawke, part of a series.

Jim Burrows 01-25-2013 07:53 PM

I seem to recall Irons being an anti-Stratfordian. Or am I wrong about that? It was an interview on Charlie Rose, I believe. Not that it matters.

Tim Murphy 01-25-2013 08:26 PM

The Beowulf is largely narrative. There are some great set speeches, Hrothgar's Homily, The Lay of the Last Survivor, The Old Man's Lament, Wiglaf's and Beowulf's own speeches. But largely the story is told in narration. My dream narrators would be Derek Jacobi or Ian McKellan. Patrick Stewart could also do fine. All classically trained actors who came up through the Old Vic, as did Mr. Irons. If I can't get them, I'd do it myself. The narrator would largely be off stage (where I belong, being neither tall nor beautiful.) But as those of you know who have listened to my recordings, I have a big instrument, and obviously, I know the rhythms and alliterations of our Beowulf better than any actor.

Nothing might come of this, but what fun if it did!

Tim Murphy 01-25-2013 08:50 PM

David's role has to encompass the shepherd boy annointed by Samuel and Saul's young general. Then of course Irons steps into the role. It might require three actors. David Anthony, I agree you'd be perfect if you were not mesomorphic, rather than ectomorphic like Irons, and fifty years younger. You're certainly beautiful and you'd not require my services as meter coach.

Skip Dewahl 01-26-2013 10:26 AM

And, of course, congratulations, Tim. :D

Seree Zohar 01-26-2013 02:05 PM

Timmo, you'd better start designing your red carpet dress, no? This is major kudos stuff! I can just hear Alan gurgling with glee...

David Anthony 01-26-2013 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Murphy (Post 271886)
David's role has to encompass the shepherd boy annointed by Samuel and Saul's young general. Then of course Irons steps into the role. It might require three actors. David Anthony, I agree you'd be perfect if you were not mesomorphic, rather than ectomorphic like Irons, and fifty years younger. You're certainly beautiful and you'd not require my services as meter coach.

I could wear makeup.

Gail White 01-26-2013 02:37 PM

It's harder to see how you would get a drama out of the Psalms (as distinct from Samuel 1 and 2) than out of Beowulf. How do you visualize it?


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