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John Whitworth 11-10-2011 05:01 AM

Speccie paracrostic
 
It was all a bit beyond me but clever Bill Greenwell and Frank Osen star. Is Max Ross one of us?

I'd never heard of a paracrostic, but this is how it works.

NO. 2724: paracrostic
You are invited to supply a poem in which the initial letters of each line read down the page reproduce the last line (16 lines max.). Please email entries, if possible, to lucy@spectator.co.uk by midday on 23 November.

Jerome Betts 11-10-2011 11:02 AM

Hmmm, tricky.

To write a verse within such rules,
How can this count as fun?
I think that only drunks or fools
Suspect it can be done.
I wonder, Muse, why you inflict
Such mental aches and pains?
Although I sometimes wish you strict,
Let go now, spare my brains!
Oh, last line spelled out down one side,
A sadist’s trick I fear!
Daft task! Alas, I have my pride,
Or else I ‘d stop right here.
Fair chance? At least my ear’s not tin . . .
Refrain from hope, you clot!
One fact ensures that you won’t win -
This is a load of rot.

Roger Slater 11-10-2011 01:58 PM

I see they did this before, only with the acrostic having to duplicate the first line:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/wit-and-w...ctator/part_2/

It seems that the first thing you need is a last line that has the same first and last letter.

Susan d.S. 11-10-2011 03:11 PM

It's hard to see the fun in this. (But Jerome's was fun.)

Roger Slater 11-10-2011 04:17 PM

Egotistical Paracrostic

I!

John Whitworth 11-10-2011 05:48 PM

Congratulations, Jerome. I've been trying to do 'Desperate Dan died. but I haven't got very far.

Desperate Dan died.
Everyone sad inside
Screwed him into his box,
Passed away of the pox.

Elegant excellent feller,
Raising his silk umbrella,
Always the perfect gent
Till the grim reaper was sent


That took an age and still NBG.

George Simmers 11-11-2011 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Whitworth (Post 221975)

I'd never heard of a paracrostic,

John - your memory may be going. You won £25 for a rather good one, back in 2008.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/wit-and-w...petition.thtml

George

John Whitworth 11-11-2011 11:08 AM

Right enough George. That one's not bad at all. I must think of a line.

Girls are exciting
In so many ways.
Ramona likes biting.
Larissa likes lays -

Splendiferous sex and
All similar stuff.
Rosanna likes pecs and
Elvira likes rough.

Emelda likes Hubert.
Xanthe likes Fee.
Corinna likes you but
Irene likes me.

This be the verse
In rhyme and fine writing,
Needful and terse:
Girls are exciting.

Needs a little work but I like it better than bloody Desperate Dan.

Jerome Betts 11-11-2011 11:36 AM

John, those first two stanzas are hilarious! As you've probably realised you've missed the penultimate N line.

Roger, didn't understand this: It seems that the first thing you need is a last line that has the same first and last letter.

Roger Slater 11-11-2011 11:51 AM

Jerome:

This is a load of rot

Girls are exciting

etc.

The last line must begin and end with the same letter, no?

Ann Drysdale 11-11-2011 11:56 AM

No - just the initial (ie first) letters. I think.

Susan McLean 11-11-2011 12:01 PM


Leave your lavish,
Expensive ways.
Squandering twits are
Scorned these days.
Infamy waits on
Such excess:
More is less.
Over-consumption
Reaps no laurel.
Ample feels good, but
Less is moral.

Roger Slater 11-11-2011 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ann Drysdale (Post 222131)
No - just the initial (ie first) letters. I think.

Then why does every example so far have a last line that begins and ends with the same letter?

The last line must start with the last letter of the last line because the poem is an acrostic of the last line.

John Whitworth 11-11-2011 12:53 PM

Thanks Jerome. I hadn't noticed but thanks to you I have now.

Neat and pointed, Susan.

Orwn Acra 11-11-2011 01:23 PM

Roger, I think it's just a coincidence.

Ann Drysdale 11-11-2011 01:38 PM

I've been looking at all my efforts so far. The last line has to begin with the same letter as the first line, and since it must also be an exact replica of all the left-hand initial letters, it has to end with the same letter as that downward list so...Roger is right.

But I think that is a result of the form rather than a necessary fons et origo for the poem.

My brain hurts.

Roger Slater 11-11-2011 01:43 PM

Imagine what my brain feels like. I don't even know what a fons et origo is.

I just brought up the letter thing because I was halfway through a poem I was writing before I realized it wouldn't work, so I thought I'd spare others the same fate.

Anyway, here's all I've eked out so far. It needs work (and by "work" I mean "throwing out"):

Why Not Now?

Will you ever
Have the time?
You are never
Near and I'm
On my knees
To beg you please
Not to squeeze
Out of your vow.
Why not now?

Jerome Betts 11-11-2011 01:45 PM

Roger, I think the fact that the three examples here have a last line with the initial and final letters the same is just one of those scary coincidences. The rubric simply stipulates 16 lines max and that the left-hand initial letters of the piece spell out the last line.

In the 14 winning entries in the two previous Spectator panacrostic comps linked to in this thread only one of the spelled out lines (initial lines in this case) has intial and final letters the same. ( 'Sarah Palin's specs'.)

If Susan's ingenious twelve lines (sorry Susan) had ended

Reaps no maizes
Ample feels good, but
Less wins praises.


she would still have complied with the instructions.

Orwn Acra 11-11-2011 01:48 PM

Oops, you're right. Having just tried one with mismatched bookends, I've realized it's impossible any other way.

Jerome Betts 11-11-2011 02:23 PM

Sorry, Roger, you and Ann were right and I was wrong. However, as Ann says, it follows automatically that the last line begins and ends with the same lettter because of the acrostic so no more effort is involved. And, of course, my amendment to Susan's piece would have completely wrecked it.

Donna English 11-11-2011 02:58 PM

I don't know how any of you have done it. I've been trying and either it's a line or more to long or there's no meter. Arrggg!

At this point I like your I idea, Roger!

I'm not giving up yet, though.

Cheers to all!
Donna

Ann Drysdale 11-11-2011 03:28 PM

http://www.terminartors.com/artworkp...i_Pace-St_Lucy


See where the sainted Lucy stands,
A silver salver in her hands,
Inviting gawpers, who are straying
Nearer to see what she’s displaying.
Two poached eggs? That would be jolly.
Little pickled onions? Prolly.
Ugh! The poor fools!
Can the poor innocents not see?
You know they can’t (but nor can she).
Roll up, roll up! Confirm the rumour!
Under their glaze of vitreous humour
Lucy’s eyes are on display!
Excellent showmanship! Hooray!
Saint Lucy rules!

Susan McLean 11-11-2011 05:31 PM

Very clever, Ann, and an interesting nod to the contest judge--so long as she doesn't think you are implying that the umpire is blind.

Susan

FOsen 11-11-2011 05:36 PM

. . . . or comparing her eyes to poached eggs and pickled onions . . .

Roger Slater 11-11-2011 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerome Betts (Post 222153)
Sorry, Roger, you and Ann were right and I was wrong. However, as Ann says, it follows automatically that the last line begins and ends with the same lettter because of the acrostic so no more effort is involved. And, of course, my amendment to Susan's piece would have completely wrecked it.

Yes, of course it follows automatically, but understanding that fact when you decide on a final line (as at first I did not) can be a big time saver. Another thing to consider in advance is the total number of letters of the final line. If you want to write quatrains, a multiple of four can be useful.

Ann Drysdale 11-12-2011 03:41 AM

Moreover, since we are restricted to a maximum of sixteen lines, we are also restricted to a maximum of sixteen letters in that last line. So if all the lines are to measure up to it, then IP is out of the question.

I cheated in mine by making it a half-line, but it's another hurdle to leap.

Susan - I wasn't going to send in my earlier effort. Heavens forfend! It was just that I had been wittering on about the rules and restrictions for so long that I felt I should either put up or shut up!

I don't want to upset Lucy. I have finally plucked up the courage to ask about my cheque for Competition 2709 and I fear her ire!

John Whitworth 11-12-2011 04:05 AM

It isn't Lucy who is in charge of paying, Ann. Why not ask for the Accounts Department directly? There's a nice man there who paid me without demur.

Ann Drysdale 11-12-2011 05:24 AM

Oh, I didn't accuse her of being tightfisted or remiss - I assumed it was an accounting glitch. She's OK, is Lucy. I wouldn't dream of presenting her as a sort of manic vestal virgin with her eyeballs on a tray...

John Whitworth 11-12-2011 08:05 AM

I'm a manic vestal virgin with her eyeballs on a tray

There's a poem there surely.

Susan d.S. 11-12-2011 08:10 AM

I thought this was a paracrostic but it is not--the last line is not the same as the vertical line. Please disregard! This is a tough one.

Susan d.S. 11-12-2011 08:52 AM

Effort number 2:

‘Round November ,
Under its sky,
Scuds of leaves
Skate and fly.
Emerald’s embers,
They fill the streets,
They swell with rains,
Heap up in piles,
En-clog the drains.
Reddish leaves are
Easily seen
And routed by a
Power blower-
Evictor grim- of
Russet; the reaper.

Roger Slater 11-12-2011 09:45 AM

Why Now?

When I
Have gotten over you
You vow

Never to leave again.
Okay,
Why now?

Orwn Acra 11-12-2011 01:46 PM

Krakatoa

A'a,
AA!

Orwn Acra 11-12-2011 01:59 PM

Until the Fat Lady Sings

Maria's
Ululations:
Mum.

FOsen 11-12-2011 03:03 PM

Until I glanced down,
Narcissus, and found
That face near the ground,
I wore a frown,
Life seemed so long.
Then we became fond
Here by the pond,
Ensnared in our song.
Reclining, I see
Each line of your face,
Which I mentally trace
As you worship me.
Still, it could be true
You're not that discrete,
Oh, but we weren’t complete,
Until there was you.

Susan McLean 11-12-2011 03:27 PM

Very funny, Frank. I particularly like the play on "discrete."

Susan


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