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Tim Murphy 01-23-2013 07:57 AM

Jeremy Irons
 
I about fainted when I got an email yesterday from Jeremy Irons, a hero of mine. I'd written his agent and proposed that he coordinate and star as the aging king in two epics centered on our translations of the Beowulf and the Psalms of King David. He's interested. Well, I was watching The Man in the Iron Mask, marveling over the performances of Irons, Byrne, Malkovitch, Depardieu. Even young diCaprio rose to the occasion, and I'd had a couple drinks, so cold called him. We'll see if anything comes of it. I'll keep you posted.

Duncan Gillies MacLaurin 01-23-2013 08:50 AM

That's brilliant, Tim!

Duncan

Gail White 01-23-2013 10:12 AM

This could be amazing. Keep us posted on developments!

Rick Mullin 01-23-2013 10:41 AM

That's the way to do it Tim!~ Good for you and good luck!

RM

William A. Baurle 01-23-2013 11:07 AM

Awesome! I love Jeremy Irons.

Rob Wright 01-23-2013 12:19 PM

What A Voice That Boy Has!

Way to go Tim.

Catherine Chandler 01-23-2013 12:37 PM

I hope this works out. I'm a longtime fan of Irons, too. Good luck!

Susan McLean 01-23-2013 01:19 PM

He's an amazing actor. I hope this works out for you.

Susan

Susan d.S. 01-23-2013 03:16 PM

Wow, best of luck with this!

Tim Murphy 01-23-2013 03:43 PM

I'm not in the habit of sending letters to celebrities. Evidently this got through his agent and his staff so swiftly the reply took eight days--across the pond. Alan and I became aware of Jeremy Irons and Anthony Andrews when we watched Brideshead Revisited in 1982. I think the reigning kings of English Drama, Sirs Hopkins, Jacobi, and McKellan, are too old to slay a dragon. I think Branagh is too young, but I think Mr. Irons is just right.

Watching my inbox. Brothers and sisters, aim high!

Bill Carpenter 01-23-2013 04:53 PM

The two most recent film Beowulves were pretty disappointing. It would be great if you could incite a good one.

Maryann Corbett 01-23-2013 05:07 PM

Intriguing, Tim. If Irons doesn't work out, rethink Branagh, who is ruggedly middle-aged now. I wonder if you have seen him in the "Wallender" episodes on PBS.

Gregory Dowling 01-23-2013 05:44 PM

Yes, Irons would be great. He's certainly come on since Brideshead days. (Mind you, he was too old even then for the undergraduate scenes, although Anthony Andrews was fine.) Let's hope this works out, Tim!

R. Nemo Hill 01-23-2013 06:29 PM

No no no no no to Branagh!! Ugh.

Nemo

Charlotte Innes 01-23-2013 08:50 PM

To Nemo: I LOVE Kenneth Branagh--so there!

To Tim: OMG--this is brilliant, Tim. I think Jeremy Irons is pretty fantastic too.

Huge congrats on the e-mail! And all my fingers and toes are crossed for you. Hope it all works out.

Charlotte

Cally Conan-Davies 01-23-2013 09:53 PM

Coincidentally, Tim, my uncle may be after Jeremy to play old King Caspian in the next Narnia film, The Silver Chair.

Seems like he is ripe for playing old kings!

Let me know how you go - we could co-ordinate film sets!!

Cally

William A. Baurle 01-24-2013 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Murphy (Post 271617)
I'm not in the habit of sending letters to celebrities. Evidently this got through his agent and his staff so swiftly the reply took eight days--across the pond. Alan and I became aware of Jeremy Irons and Anthony Andrews when we watched Brideshead Revisited in 1982. I think the reigning kings of English Drama, Sirs Hopkins, Jacobi, and McKellan, are too old to slay a dragon. I think Branagh is too young, but I think Mr. Irons is just right.

Watching my inbox. Brothers and sisters, aim high!

Nice to see Jacobi mentioned. He's an astoundingly good actor that, for some reason, you don't hear much raving about ( or at least I haven't). Anthony Andrews is sublime also. Highly recommend him in "The Scarlet Pimpernel" to any & all who haven't seen it.

(or is that whom? doesn't sound right...)

Rob Wright 01-24-2013 07:49 PM

I'm with Nemo on Branagh, although his Hamlet is hilarious.

R. Nemo Hill 01-24-2013 07:54 PM

You want hilarious, try his Frankenstein.

Nemo

Don Jones 01-24-2013 08:50 PM

Irons would be worthy of your words, Tim. Best of luck!

Don

William A. Baurle 01-24-2013 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by R. Nemo Hill (Post 271777)
You want hilarious, try his Frankenstein.

Nemo

I love that movie! De Niro and Tom Hulce were great, and Branagh was good, too. It was faithful to the novel, a direct NO! to the iconic hands-stretched-out Karloff nonsense. Not that it was Karloff's fault. Director's fault.

I'll admit I'm not terribly fond of Branagh's tendency to whisper (on film), but by and large he's a fine actor.

Jim Burrows 01-24-2013 10:28 PM

I love Branagh's Hamlet because it's hilarious. I liked Branagh's Olivier too.

Tim Murphy 01-25-2013 05:38 AM

I like Branagh, but I just can't see him playing an eighty-two-year-old Geatish king.

marly youmans 01-25-2013 07:33 AM

Impressive aim!

R. Nemo Hill 01-25-2013 08:08 AM

Just because it was faithful to the book doesn't make it a good movie, William. It seemed no more than an excuse for KB to take his shirt off. I think he is a 'spitter' in the worst sense. I've never liked him in anything. Even the great Robert Altman couldn't make me stomach him. I've learned my commercial film lesson: if Branagh is in it, or if Steven Spielberg directs it, I don't bother to see it.

Nemo

Rick Mullin 01-25-2013 09:57 AM

No strong opinion on KB here. And I liked Lincoln despite really despising Spielberg!~,:^) But I completely agree that a film being faithful to a book is hardly a measure of the film’s quality. Quite the opposite. I heard Richard Price, the author of Clockers, interviewed once. He was asked if he was bothered by the fact that Spike Lee turned the great Essex County, NJ-based novel into another Spike Lee “Brooklyn Pastorale.” Price’s answer sticks with me: “When you are making a film about a book, the last thing you want to make is Sophie’s Choice.” Making a film of a novel is an act of ekphrasis, really—you have the chance to make something new in a different medium that is true to the source. Why paint a slavish copy of a sculpture when you have all the things that come with painting to work with? (Note: Price was an executive something on Lee’s film, which I think underscores his conviction that one does not make Sophie’s Choice). An example of how the direct copy approach tends to fare: The brother of a friend of mine was involved in the making of the film “The Road,” based on Cormac McCarthy’s novel. The film didn’t do as well as everyone had hoped in the theater or with the Oscars. My friend told me said, “Well, the good news is that the movie is true to the book. The bad news is that the movie is true to the book.” His point may have been that the subject matter was too much for people to take. But I take it to be an observation that, while you may be catering to a broad audience with a Sophie’s Choice approach, you have no guarantee of a broad audience for having done so. Your lack of commitment to something new might just get you a so-so turnout. Better to crack ekphrastic.

Tim Murphy 01-25-2013 11:06 AM

There seems to be a consensus that Irons is the man for both jobs. But who should play young David and young Beowulf? He'd have to be tall, beautiful, and a hell of an actor to hold his own with the old kings.

David Anthony 01-25-2013 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Murphy (Post 271841)
There seems to be a consensus that Irons is the man for both jobs. But who should play young David and young Beowulf? He'd have to be tall, beautiful, and a hell of an actor to hold his own with the old kings.

Sounds like me, Tim.

Bill Carpenter 01-25-2013 04:30 PM

Karl Urban, who played Eomer in LOTR.

David Rosenthal 01-25-2013 05:00 PM

I like Branagh, and I especially liked his Hamlet. So there.

Congrats, Tim. Now, who's gonna play you in the Tim Murphy biopic?

David R.

William A. Baurle 01-25-2013 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R. Nemo Hill (Post 271827)
Just because it was faithful to the book doesn't make it a good movie, William. It seemed no more than an excuse for KB to take his shirt off. I think he is a 'spitter' in the worst sense. I've never liked him in anything. Even the great Robert Altman couldn't make me stomach him. I've learned my commercial film lesson: if Branagh is in it, or if Steven Spielberg directs it, I don't bother to see it.

Nemo

To your first sentence: no kidding? In the case of Frankenstein, which has been the source of many bad- to- mediocre films and an iconic character that have little relation to the novel (many people no doubt still think the monster's name is Frankenstein), faithfulness to the novel is important, because there are profound ethical, social, even theological points made in the narrative which should be transferred at least to some degree to a film based on it. At least that's my opinion.

I thought the film was very good. I enjoyed it, I've watched it several times, mostly for De Niro's amazing performance, his change from innocent/benevolent character to monster. I won't argue with you about Branagh, though, since he's not the reason I like the movie so much. But, I'd take my shirt off as often as I could if I looked like him.

You don't like Spielberg's films either? Wow.

William A. Baurle 01-25-2013 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Murphy (Post 271841)
There seems to be a consensus that Irons is the man for both jobs. But who should play young David and young Beowulf? He'd have to be tall, beautiful, and a hell of an actor to hold his own with the old kings.

Let's see: tall, beautiful: Jim Caviezel fits the bill, but at 44 he may be too old already. And I haven't seen enough of his work to judge his acting ability, though I loved him in Gibson's Passion, despite the fact that I can't watch signigifant amounts of that film. The opening scene, in the garden, is amazing.

Skip Dewahl 01-25-2013 05:50 PM

I'm also a fan of Jeremy ("Boris") Irons. Perhaps I shouldn't have been shocked when I read that he is not a fan of Downton Abby, despite his never having seen it, as he admits, but then most liberals show disfavor at most modern productions that are not multicultural. Had Jeremy watched the first year he would have witnessed how the show's writer, Julian Fellows, threw a bone to his constituency by having the eldest daughter of Lord Grantham be caught in flagrante delicto with the Turkish ambassador's son. Okay, he did die of a heart attack at it, but at least it was a bone thrown, however scarce the meat.
Tim, you don't suppose you could try to convince Jeremy to produce a biopic about Boris Karloff with him portraying this iconic actor of horror films?
Anyway, here's the link to the page where Jeremy mentions Downton Abby:

http://www.eonline.com/news/378923/j...to-ford-fiesta

Ah, before I forget, tonight at 9 central on PBS: Shakespeare Uncovered, with host Ethan Hawke, part of a series.

Jim Burrows 01-25-2013 07:53 PM

I seem to recall Irons being an anti-Stratfordian. Or am I wrong about that? It was an interview on Charlie Rose, I believe. Not that it matters.

Tim Murphy 01-25-2013 08:26 PM

The Beowulf is largely narrative. There are some great set speeches, Hrothgar's Homily, The Lay of the Last Survivor, The Old Man's Lament, Wiglaf's and Beowulf's own speeches. But largely the story is told in narration. My dream narrators would be Derek Jacobi or Ian McKellan. Patrick Stewart could also do fine. All classically trained actors who came up through the Old Vic, as did Mr. Irons. If I can't get them, I'd do it myself. The narrator would largely be off stage (where I belong, being neither tall nor beautiful.) But as those of you know who have listened to my recordings, I have a big instrument, and obviously, I know the rhythms and alliterations of our Beowulf better than any actor.

Nothing might come of this, but what fun if it did!

Tim Murphy 01-25-2013 08:50 PM

David's role has to encompass the shepherd boy annointed by Samuel and Saul's young general. Then of course Irons steps into the role. It might require three actors. David Anthony, I agree you'd be perfect if you were not mesomorphic, rather than ectomorphic like Irons, and fifty years younger. You're certainly beautiful and you'd not require my services as meter coach.

Skip Dewahl 01-26-2013 10:26 AM

And, of course, congratulations, Tim. :D

Seree Zohar 01-26-2013 02:05 PM

Timmo, you'd better start designing your red carpet dress, no? This is major kudos stuff! I can just hear Alan gurgling with glee...

David Anthony 01-26-2013 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Murphy (Post 271886)
David's role has to encompass the shepherd boy annointed by Samuel and Saul's young general. Then of course Irons steps into the role. It might require three actors. David Anthony, I agree you'd be perfect if you were not mesomorphic, rather than ectomorphic like Irons, and fifty years younger. You're certainly beautiful and you'd not require my services as meter coach.

I could wear makeup.

Gail White 01-26-2013 02:37 PM

It's harder to see how you would get a drama out of the Psalms (as distinct from Samuel 1 and 2) than out of Beowulf. How do you visualize it?


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