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Duncan Gillies MacLaurin 08-11-2015 04:28 AM

A smashing G & S parody
 
I don't get round to this forum as often as I'd like...

For your enjoyment, today's Guardian's poetical offering.

Duncan

Nigel Mace 08-11-2015 06:27 AM

Very neat. The review makes a good case for it being a nicely judged double whammy - both the form and the subject, which is, speaking as a compulsive parodist, a fairly rare accomplishment.

However, copping out at a single verse, splendid though this is, does leave Gilbert rather short changed - and I'd judge that a job rather less than half done. I sent a full one on the same pattern - or in the same 'frying pan' in this reviewer's terms - off on its journey round Facebook just before the General Election, when some wag suggested moving the Trident fleet to Gibraltar to escape the clutches of my fellow SNP supporting Scots.

John Whitworth 08-11-2015 06:54 AM

Well, three of the rhymes are no good and another depends upon a word 'recency' which doesn't exist. Gilbert would be apoplectic, and quite right too.

Nigel Mace 08-11-2015 07:59 AM

Oh dear, John, I don't think that Gilbert would have been quite as splenetic as you suggest. His own original contained the rhyme word "parabulous" which, though it sounds like a real (but inapplicable) term has nothing to do with the sense of the line. As for the clunking "sat a gee" line ending, that has always stood out amidst all the rest of the splendid word play as a bit wince-making.

Duncan seems to have more forgiving standards - so I'll risk posting my 'take' here (which I think this merry forum allows). No apologies for the length - that was of Gilbert's making - though, of course, John you are allowed to dislike the matter and its manner too.


“MY NUCLEAR DETERRENT SUBS”


I’ve found the very place to berth my nuclear deterrent subs,
As far away from Whitehall and its gentlemanly private clubs,
Not hidden past their potted palms, but shrouded near some Spanish shrubs,
When safely in Gibraltar they can hide among the tourist tubs.
I couldn’t leave them in the Thames or close to London’s airport hubs,
And now the Scots won’t have ‘em, I can’t put up with the South East’s blubs,
For if you’ve bought a Trident you may find that it’s quite hard to fit –
(searches for a rhyme) - hard to fit…
It in with any mug, whose had to shell out for your deficit.
(Chorus)
It in with any mug, whose had to shell out for your deficit.
It in with any mug, whose had to shell out for your deficit.
It in with any mug, whose had to shell out for your defi, deficit.

I’m confident of voters and of parliament’ry calculus
And never let the public or back-benchers near the likes of us
For, far away from Whitehall and its gentlemanly private clubs,
I’ve found the very place to berth my nuclear deterrent subs.
(Chorus)
For, far away from Whitehall and its gentlemanly private clubs,
He’s found the very place to berth his nuclear deterrent subs.

I know our mythic history from Churchill to the Thatcherists,
From Super-Mac to Blair and Straw, the least of the Atlanticists;
They swooned before the Kennedys, and fell for Reagan’s publicists,
Then thought that Bush’s missiles promised power to all onanists.
We seized the silver cylinders, according to our analysts,
And guessed they’d give us potency, like any drooling fantasists,
But when it came to storing ‘em, we reckoned as we’d tried before
(searches for a rhyme) – tried before…
We’d stick ‘em in Scots bunkers like a golfer who has cried a “Fore!”
(Chorus)
We’d stick ‘em in Scots bunkers like a golfer who has cried a “Fore!”
We’d stick ‘em in Scots bunkers like a golfer who has cried a “Fore!”
We’d stick ‘em in Scots bunkers like a golfer who has cried a, cried a “Fore!”

We promised all the locals they’d be given jobs and cash and things
But they fell for a Sturgeon who had promised that she’d clip our wings
So, far away from Whitehall and its gentlemanly private clubs,
I’ve found the very place to berth my nuclear deterrent subs.
(Chorus)
So, far away from Whitehall and its gentlemanly private clubs,
He’s found the very place to berth his nuclear deterrent subs.

If ever I can understand the meaning of democracy,
Or separate my interests from those of the plutocracy,
Or understand that peoples may prefer to rule themselves for once,
And generally show myself to be more than a total dunce -
Then maybe I might realise that nuclear weapons are a plague
Of criminal intentions fit to be arraigned before the Hague
In short when I’ve a smattering of element’ry politics
(searches for a rhyme) – politics…
Then maybe I’ll be fit to be in charge among the lunatics.
(Chorus)
Then maybe he’ll be fit to be in charge among the lunatics.
Then maybe he’ll be fit to be in charge among the lunatics.
Then maybe he’ll be fit to be in charge among the luna, lunatics.

But meanwhile I’ve a role to play, pretending we can still have sway
And chuck our weight about the world, as though in Queen Victoria’s day
For, far away from Whitehall and its gentlemanly private clubs,
I’ve found that Gib’s the place to berth my nuclear deterrent subs.
(Chorus)
For, far away from Whitehall and its gentlemanly private clubs,
He’s found that Gib’s the place to berth his nuclear deterrent subs.

Duncan Gillies MacLaurin 08-11-2015 08:37 AM

Great, Nigel! I think it's only fair for people to take turns harbouring our nuclear deterrent.

I'm reminded of the one about how the Scots reacted to the news that their present missiles were going to be replaced by newer ones. "What?" they fumed. "We haven't used the old ones yet!"

Duncan

Chris O'Carroll 08-11-2015 10:19 AM

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the OED now acknowledges recency as a synonym for recentness. (I've found it in other dictionaries.) But I'd almost rather Aubury had coined the term. Surely adventury in Gilbert's original was a coinage? It's true that some made-up words are best suited to nonsense verse -- runcible, frabjous -- but even sensical light verse should be able to deploy the occasional silly neologism. It's one of those techniques, like deliberate misspelling, that should be used sparingly, but not declared off limits.

Allen Tice 08-11-2015 10:24 AM

I was misinformed about the lyrics, and recant.

Bill Carpenter 08-11-2015 11:46 AM

Can G&S actually be parodied, in the way we use the term today? At most imitated, I'd say. Anna Russell attempted to parody them in her How To Make Your Own Gilbert & Sullivan Opera. It was mostly pretty flat, except for some amusing imitations. Many pleasing moments in your effort, Nigel.

John Whitworth 08-11-2015 12:22 PM

I think you may have a point, Bill. Gilbert's style can be used to parody other writers. You rewrite a Keats Ode as if by Gilbert, that sort of thing.

If recency does indeed exist then I must withdraw my criticism. I think it's a horrible word though.

Bill Carpenter 08-11-2015 12:38 PM

P.G. Wodehouse can't be parodied. Henry James can. Hiawatha can.

It would be a shame if the Recency came off poorly in comparison with the Regency.

Chris O'Carroll 08-11-2015 05:37 PM

Aubury's poem is probably best described as pastiche, not parody. As I understand the British use of those terms, both involve imitation, but pastiche does not have an agenda of mockery, or at least not mockery of the writer being imitated. (I hope someone from the UK will set me straight if I've got that wrong.)

By the way, I agree that "recency" would be an unappealing term in serious writing or conversation, although I think it works just fine in the comic context of this poem. That's why I wish it were the poet's coinage.

Douglas G. Brown 08-11-2015 07:51 PM

In Carolyn Wells' massive Book of Humorous Verse, I think it would be under the Burlesque category; but pastiche might be similar?

Warren G. Harding popularized the word "normalcy" (in earnest seriousness) in the early 1920s. He was President, whose main claim to fame was dying in office before his scandals became public.

If WGH's normalcy made the cut, why not recency?

Jerome Betts 08-12-2015 05:23 AM

Chris and John, recency is in my now relatively ancient Concise Oxford (9th ed 1995). I'd only come across it, I think, in grammatical jargon ('recency-frequency adverbs') but it's good to have a rhyme for decency or indecency.

John Whitworth 08-12-2015 06:18 AM

Somebody wrote a book in the style of P G Wodehouse. I couldn't bring myself to read it.

Nicholas Stone 08-12-2015 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Whitworth (Post 352670)
Somebody wrote a book in the style of P G Wodehouse. I couldn't bring myself to read it.

Sebastian Faulks. I wrote an essay on it. Got 14/25.

John Whitworth 08-13-2015 01:08 AM

And was it any good? The book, I mean. The essay obviously wasn't. A noble failure. I once got a failing mark for an essay that made jokes about Scottish Nationalism.

Nicholas Stone 08-14-2015 04:49 AM

It was quite good. Misjudges the level of Jeeves's literary references, but is an interesting piece of fan-fiction. If you think 14/25 sounds like a noble failure, I got 3/10 on an essay on Livy this last year. I got bored halfway through and started writing about Sargon I of Akkad. Teacher not interested. Go figure.

John Whitworth 08-14-2015 02:48 PM

Yeah, Titty Livy's quite a boring person. Sargon I (whoever he is) sounds much more fun. You are in danger of toying with the opposition. That's what Cameron does.

There is a marvellous Gilbertian pastiche by the divine Sylvia over on FANfare. Why haven't you entered that one, Nico? Not old enough? Pshaw!


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