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Julie Steiner 08-25-2021 11:52 PM

Vermeer, unedited
 
Of course it's important to see it the way the artist intended it. And of course I'm glad it was carefully researched and lovingly restored and all that.

But I've still gotta say, compositionally speaking, I really prefer the version that was simplified decades after the artist's death.

A lot.

If that's the bus to Hell, save me a seat.

https://www.thisiscolossal.com/2021/...upid-painting/

F.F. Teague 08-26-2021 07:02 AM

I find the Cupid slightly terrifying!
F.

mignon ledgard 08-26-2021 10:21 AM

LOL to both, Julie and Fliss..

Here's a link from your link, Julie:

https://www.thisiscolossal.com/2020/...cealed-spaces/

My grandfather had two oil portraits (his parents) and, when he took them for a cleaning, they both had flowers at the bottom, which didn't show before. Dust has a strange and perfect way to settle, it seems. I know this is different.

The link I added is about a painter who 'erases' humans from famous paintings.

Thanks for sharing,
~mignon

Allen Tice 08-26-2021 10:44 AM

The Cupid was a concession to the residual overdone bad taste of the late Renaissance. Totally needless! Vermeer's second thoughts were Best Thoughts. Any point made by the Cupid, however valid, is vastly secondary to the understatement of the pre-"cleaning" version. Vermeer would be properly and exquisitely pissed.

F.F. Teague 08-26-2021 02:06 PM

Word-Bird's poetry prompt
A poem in which the ghost of Vermeer expresses his disapproval concerning the removal of the Cupid.

Hola, mignon; I enjoyed that article. I like to think that, in all instances, alien abduction occurred!
F.

Sarah-Jane Crowson 08-26-2021 02:15 PM

Oh, what an interesting link. I quite like both. They just say different things about the girl. Isn't it interesting, how we read things, paintings as palimpsests, the idea of authorial intention. I love it.

Anyway, for my contribution, here are some uncovered paintings, from Hereford, late seventeenth century, vernacular art (but possibly more do-able as wall coverings than eerie cupids). I believe they were hidden under white plaster for a fair while, although I could be wrong.

http://sarah-janecrowson.com/wp-cont...uses-hford.jpg

(apologies for awful snapshots - there are no photos of these on the web I could find to link to so you got mine instead)

Allen Tice 08-26-2021 05:04 PM

I ought to say that artistically I agree with Julie, and I don't care what the scholars think or say. I chose to not accept their verdict. This is often my way with Greek and Roman poems. If, after sufficient thought, I think their arguments, however fine spun, are inconclusive or just wrong, I will disagree. That's me.

I doubt that there is sufficient forensic evidence that Vermeer did not paint over the Cupid himself unless there is secure documentation that someone else did so. If that exists, so much the worse for art.

Show me the money.

F.F. Teague 08-27-2021 03:22 AM

Allen, I don't think there's anything unusual about finding Greek and Roman poems a bit bonkers sometimes, lol. I don't have any money for you, just the note that Cupid has always scared me a bit! F.

Allen Tice 08-28-2021 08:56 AM

I read the text accompanying the visuals. And my reaction remains the same. Vermeer ? That cupid is as typical of Vermeer as a VW Beetle is typical of garden bugs. Something is very wrong in claiming that Vermeer meant that cupid to be there, ever!

Roger Slater 08-28-2021 10:07 AM

But if Vermeer meant for it to be painted over, why was it there in the first place? Do you suppose Vermeer did it and changed his mind? If not, what happened? Did one of his apprentices go rogue and paint in the cupid when Vermeer wasn't looking?

Ann Drysdale 08-28-2021 11:02 AM

But paintings were never intended for galleries; they were painted for patrons. If someone asked Vermeer to put in a putto, he'd probably have done it and if someone later offered to buy the picture if the babe were disappeared, someone else would probably have made it so.

Allen Tice 08-28-2021 12:19 PM

That’s good, Ann. I’ve always respected your mind and control of facts. My strong feeling, as I’ve mentioned, is that the cupid is alien to Vermeer’s sensibility. I have nothing against foreskins or cupids, but if anyone is interested in Vermeer as Vermeer the artist, that second-rate cartoon should disappear again.

Julie Steiner 08-29-2021 08:18 PM

Psst...Allen...Vermeer seems to have put the same Cupid painting in the background of three other paintings:

1. A Young Woman Standing at a Virginal (The National Gallery, London), whose Google Arts and Culture webpage says:

Quote:

The figure painting in the background shows Cupid standing in a landscape, holding up a playing card or tablet. The motif is adopted from a well-known emblem book by Otto van Veen, entitled ‘Only One’ with a verse praising fidelity in matters of love.

The painting’s style is reminiscent of Caesar van Everdingen, but no such painting has been identified in the artist’s oeuvre. It may be a painting of Cupid mentioned in the inventory drawn up in 1676 of the possessions of Vermeer’s widow.
2. Girl Interrupted at Her Music (The Frick Collection, New York), whose Wikipedia entry says:

Quote:

The hazy painting in the background of the scene is of Cupid. The painting within a painting was discovered after its restoration in 1907; it had been covered up by a wall and a hanging violin. Several observations have been made about the Cupid painting and what it could have to do with the overall painting, including that Cupid may be warning the couple about the dangers of love, that Cupid's upraised hand was a symbol that you must only have one lover, that Cupid is holding up a blank card which represents love as a game, or shows that "love is in the air". The reason for Vermeer including the miniature Cupid painting may never be revealed due to the painting's damaged condition.
3. A Maid Asleep (The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York), whose entry in The Complete Interactive Vermeer Catalogue says:

Quote:

The lower part of a black-framed picture on the background wall allows us to see part of the left leg of a standing child and a mask. The obscured figure has been associated with two contemporary images: an emblem in Otto van Veen's popular Amorum Emblemata (Antwerp, 1608) and a standing Cupid holding up a card, in the style of Cesar van Everdingen. The background painting in A Maid Asleep probably corresponds to a Cupid described in an inventory list of household goods of the Thins-Vermeer residence taken after the artist's death.

Vermeer must have been attached to the Cupid painting since he pictured it again in the Girl Interrupted at her Music and the later Lady Standing at a Virginals, in both cases without a trace of a mask. Furthermore, it once assumed a dominant compositional role in the early Girl Reading a Letter at an Open Window but was painted out by the artist himself for an unknown reason.
Apparently that last sentence will need a bit of updating, since the restorers of Girl Reading a Letter at an Open Window contend that differences in the layer of microscopic dust between the layers of paint and varnish in various areas indicate that the Cupid painting could not have been painted over during Vermeer's lifetime.

Allen Tice 08-29-2021 10:47 PM

Anything to sell a piece of sailcloth to a rich boob. “You want egg in that beer, Mynheer? Will that be poached or hard boiled? I can do an omelette even. Costs more.”

Ann Drysdale 08-30-2021 02:49 AM

Julie, this is fascinating. I don't know enough about Vermeer's total oeuvre to do more than speculate but that doesn't stop me doing so. I note that it's a different representation of Cupid in each case so it's more than just copying a particular painting. I still wonder where the eventual buyer fits in.

I'm not a particular admirer of Vermeer, apart from one painting that I saw for the first time low down on a wall in the Rijksmuseum. It stopped me in my tracks. I didn't even know who painted it - I'd just come out of a roomful of Vermeers and thought it must be someone else's - Hobbema perhaps, on a very good day...

So I'll go back and peer again at The Little Street, looking for traces of Cupid.

Allen Tice 08-30-2021 04:06 PM

Thanks Ann, but awwright, couldn’t painters who paint for money suffer from cupidity? — Maybe everything I love is wrong! Stand back, I hope a metanoia isn’t afoot! Let’s demote Vermeer for being whatever he was: venal, penile, senile in utero, exhume the art. Burn Vermeer as a MCP. Oh, sweet Vermeer. Shakespeare was a dog too.

Allen Tice 08-31-2021 11:21 AM

Actually, to my eye, the Woman at Virginal painting makes huge sense.

This is me ranting: But I’m So glad that none of these Cupids have theriomorphic horns. Yick.

I’m about to shut up.


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