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Jennifer Reeser 09-28-2024 02:50 AM

Harris on Poetry
 
At video mark 42:00, Kamala Harris trashes poetry and the poets:

https://nypost.com/2023/07/07/kamala...twitter-users/

Mark McDonnell 09-28-2024 03:42 AM

This mad take is barely worthy of a response, but just to save anyone 2 precious minutes of their life...

She says, in relation to a question about culture and self-expression, "I think it's very important that anyone who considers themselves a leader thinks carefully about how what they say affects a real human being. ..otherwise be a poet and write poetry" then, as a completely sincere aside and without any hint of irony, she says "and I don't want to dismiss poetry at all" then she carries on making her separate, non-poetry related point. What a monster.

Jennifer Reeser 09-28-2024 04:03 AM

Don't quit your day job, Mark.

Here I have transcribed the remarks in their entirety, so as to be free from spin, and seen in context. She is straight up saying poets have no understanding, either of language or of its psychological effects, and that we are not even a part of "real" culture.

If you cannot understand this, then I am afraid I can't help you. Keke Palmer. You cannot make this up...

J


"Culture is… it is a reflection of our moment in our time, right?
And and and in present culture is… the way we express
how we’re feeling about the moment and and we should always
find times to express how we feel about the moment
that is a reflection of joy because you know it comes in the morning.
We have to find ways to also express the way we feel about the moment in terms of just having language and and and a connection
to how people are experiencing life. And I think about it in that way too and we also I think it’s very important that that that leaders, anyone who considers themselves a leader really understands how anything they say could affect a real human being as opposed to… you know… otherwise be a poet and write poetry but if you want to understand— I don’t mean to dismiss poetry at all but if you want to understand any concept you have to ask questions like how would this affect a child to have a real understanding of what it is that you propose and culture helps us do that cuz you sit down with Keke Palmer you going to have a real conversation."

Jennifer Reeser 09-28-2024 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McDonnell (Post 501324)
This mad take is barely worthy of a response, but just to save anyone 2 precious minutes of their life...

Oh, dear. Never mind what I said about not quitting your day job. I see that your profile says you are a high school teacher living in England -- actively discouraging people from education, from informing themselves and learning.

Perhaps you should quit your job, after all.

J

Mark McDonnell 09-28-2024 08:53 AM

Charming. Well, I take it back, Jennifer. I actively encourage people to watch that section of the video and decide for themselves whether Harris' offhand and admittedly rambly comment is "straight up saying poets have no understanding, either of language or of its psychological effects, and that we are not even a part of "real" culture."

I think it's a ludicrous reach to get this from what she said and that it's clearly you, rather than me, who is putting a" spin" on her words.

Chris O'Carroll 09-28-2024 09:03 AM

"Kamala Harris trashes poetry"

"She is straight up saying poets have no understanding, either of language or of its psychological effects, and that we are not even a part of 'real' culture."

Get a grip, Jenn. You are better than those paranoid, distorted translations of her words.

Mark McDonnell 09-28-2024 09:09 AM

Btw, I have no great appetite to defend Kamala Harris. It's depressing enough thinking about the left's betrayal of its core principles on this side of the ocean. I just think

a) clearly she's preferable to America's current alternative. And

b) your post is one of the silliest things I've read in a long time.

Roger Slater 09-28-2024 09:13 AM

I think she was drawing a distinction between words as they are spoken by politicians, which often are consequential in many ways, and words as they are used in poetry, where she seems to align with Auden's famous "poetry makes nothing happen" dictum. It's of little concern, though, since she is not running for Oxford Poetry Professor, but as the head of the party that opposes Republican book bans that often sweep poetry books from the shelves. And, to the extent that love of poetry is an issue in the race, I think that Kamala is far more likely than Trump to curl up in bed contentedly reading a copy of Strong Feather.

By the way, a quick Google of Kamala and poetry brought up this Facebook post from 2019. It seems that maybe she's not entirely illiterate after all.

Mark McDonnell 09-28-2024 09:24 AM

Quote:

I think she was drawing a distinction between words as they are spoken by politicians, which often are consequential in many ways, and words as they are used in poetry
Yes, that's about what I got from the comment. Thanks for articulating it, Roger.

Jennifer Reeser 09-28-2024 01:20 PM

Here's the direct YouTube link. Simply hysterical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfhBMAhiU0g

Max Goodman 09-28-2024 03:53 PM

If anyone has a video of a preferable candidate speaking or answering questions at comparable length, that could be posted here for comparison.

Jim Moonan 09-28-2024 05:45 PM

What Mark said three times. And Roger.

I am baited on a daily basis to click on a New York Post link. Every time I bite I end up feeling like I need to take a shower.

Jennifer, I would think you would be more adept at putting things in context (although your sudden appearance here has reminded me of your politics ). But in this instance you seem to not hear what she is saying. And I don't get the glibness and the condescension. We are trying our best to avoid a catastrophe. Why would you fan the flames?

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Jim Moonan 09-30-2024 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris O'Carroll (Post 501336)
"Kamala Harris trashes poetry"

"She is straight up saying poets have no understanding, either of language or of its psychological effects, and that we are not even a part of 'real' culture."

Get a grip, Jenn. You are better than those paranoid, distorted translations of her words.

Well, are you, Jenn? Or will we never know?

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Jack Land 09-30-2024 11:13 AM

Don, you from Queens?
Don, how ya bin doon?
Howya doin, Home Town!
Whatta ya do for a livin?
Don, whatsa matta you?

Jim Moonan 09-30-2024 12:38 PM

.
OMG here we go

That's as clever as a cliche, Jack
Please put the Big Apple back

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