Ira Lightman on plagiarism, Guardian interview
'Plagiarists never do it once': meet the sleuth tracking down the poetry cheats: "his latest case is the most shameless yet".
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Matt, thanks for sharing.
I tend the think there are pretty clear lines between intertextuality and plagiarism (how well known is the original being an obvious one), but the examples here seem well beyond "sloppy." Will Storr seems to paint Lightman as some sort of villain, but the writers who are blatantly stealing others' works are the real problem. |
Wow. It never ceases to amaze me that writers will take these crazy risks, especially people who are capable of writing their own poems. Who knows what makes them do it: writer's block, laziness, the thrill of getting away with something, desire for attention?
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I'm skeptical of the methods (and maybe the motivations) of the Lightman fellow. (Blood in the water mindset???) At least from the description of a few of these instances. The French poets stuff seems the least conclusive, at least from what info we have here. The mind makes the same connections along similar trails. The simplicity in some of the works makes coincidence believable. Plus a translation was involved that may have muddied the waters further.
The Mack business seems to be the really silly practice of using the scaffolding of another poem to riff on. In this case maybe it became a crutch. Bad taste, weak art but maybe not as intentionally rotten the Ward ripoffs appear. |
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Where there is conscious appropriation, the motive would seem to me to be a form of sheer admiration: I want to have written that! (So I will -- have written that!)
But, but, I was (and am) actually guilty of unconscious appropriation of a line by W. B. Yeats. (Not telling which line!) When I was a callow, shallow, youth I unknowingly absorbed a (brilliant, it still seems to me) Yeats line, and then spat it out like a mother bird feeding her nestlings into a poem that I then went on to take in its own direction. It was only after I got a variorum Yeats to study (and, boy-howdy, I did) that I read the line I thought was mine in his work. Then I remembered reading him enthusiastically long before I got the variorum. Guilty I am, but it's a single line, and I really admire Yeats for my use of it. His is good, too. |
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I would like to see Lightman's methods applied to a control group. Would he "find" plagiarism everywhere? The most clear cases were not found by him but merely reported to him. Something seems like bull here. Not all the instances. Something is off. |
I wonder how many great lines have been written twice or more times, independently. And whole poems flowing in very similar patterns when we are exposed to the same algorhythms, images, and progressions more and more will become more common, especially in overworked, tired minds pushing for output.
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