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Maryann Corbett 01-01-2011 09:37 AM

Why criticism matters
 
A collection of essays in the New York Times.

Wintaka 01-01-2011 12:20 PM

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"A serious critic is one who says something true about life and the world"
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"The contemporary critic has to be an evangelist"
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"...the critic has one important function: to write well."
Is it just me or do these people have mighty strange ideas about the role of critics?

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Maryann Corbett 01-01-2011 12:34 PM

Colin, I agree these ideas are phrased rather radically, but I don't think they're off the wall. If you're trying to say "These poems/novels/stories are good (or bad), and this is why," you've got to have a very clear idea of what writing itself should be and do, and what people should get out of reading beyond mere escape and entertainment. To have that kind of clear idea is to take a moral stance.

No, not every critic is going to do that--and these days, most people will probably shrug off such criticism. But some writers will be prodded to do more than write potboilers.

So what's your view of what criticism should be and do?

Wintaka 01-01-2011 01:57 PM

I assume we're talking about reviewers rather than scholars or critiquers. In my tediously conventional view, people read reviews in order to discern if something is worth reading/watching. IMHO, critics who have no clue as to what a target audience enjoys should probably seek another [a]vocation.

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"A serious critic is one who says something true about life and the world"
I'm not sure this is necessarily the role of the poet, let alone the critic. If interested in "something true about life and the world" why not read a philosophy text, newspaper or travelogue? Shouldn't the reviewer concentrate on saying something true about the poetry?

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"The contemporary critic has to be an evangelist"
The "evangelist" is always telling me to eat broccoli. Who among us needs to be told what to like? Why confuse the issue with anyone's aesthetics other than the readers'?

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"...the critic has one important function: to write well."
No. The critic has one important function: to tell us if the author has written well.

HNY, all!

Colin

Janice D. Soderling 01-01-2011 02:42 PM

Not to change the subject but this

Seated on the cusp of the network revolution, the critic Sven Birkerts cataloged the losses that a reader in the electronic millennium would suffer: divorce from historical consciousness, a fragmented sense of time, a loss of deep concentration.

is certainly true.

I blame television as much as the internet. I think the constant influx of ads on teve and the constant zapping back and foth has fragmented the minds of both young and old.

Ms. Grinch

I don't have a television, that's why I am so collected. :D :D

Maryann Corbett 01-01-2011 03:14 PM

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I assume we're talking about reviewers rather than scholars or critiquers.
I'm not sure I do assume that.

I value reviews--I've written 'em--and I agree that when I read a review I want to know enough about the book to determine whether I'll enjoy it and whether it's worth my money. But criticism is something else again, something rather bigger. After all, one can write criticism about a poet who is long out of print, a situation in which you're arguing hard that a writer has been unjustly neglected. One can write criticism that argues that a writer of a past era who had been highly esteemed was really less important than some other because of the people that other writer influenced or because of the topics he/she faced head on. One can write criticism to pass judgment on a whole era of writers. And so on.

Kirsch, for one, is very much a critic and not just a reviewer. (Of course that means it's no surprise that he believes criticism is Very Important.)

Wintaka 01-01-2011 04:07 PM

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But criticism is something else again, something rather bigger. After all, one can write criticism about a poet who is long out of print, a situation in which you're arguing hard that a writer has been unjustly neglected.
Understood. My assumption was based largely on venue: the Sunday Book Review section in http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/review/index.htm. Were we in The Deep End I'd assume we were referring to critique.

FWIW, if we are talking about scholarly criticism I would find the first and third remarks no less bizarre; the second would be as much about cynicism as criticism (along the lines of "Poems used to have readers. Now they have constituencies.").

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Maryann Corbett 01-01-2011 05:06 PM

Colin, about the third comment, I guess I do agree. Good writing in criticism is a basic requirement; if the critic doesn't write well, why should we believe his or her opinions about writing? But that sentence seems to claim that writing well is the only requirement.

For the first comment, though, I've got quite a bit of sympathy. I agree that I'm glad that many critics limit themselves to judging whether readers will like a book. But sometimes there are truth claims to be judged. I've got no problem with a critic who has large, clear views about what writing should do and states his claims accordingly.

About the "evangelist" question: Frankly, I could use an evangelist to explain to me a lot of the "cutting edge" poetry I see. Who is there who will speak my language and explain to me what these writers mean to do? In the 1950s, there were readers who were baffled by some of the work of Dylan Thomas; it was serious criticism that explained him and made him mainstream.

R. S. Gwynn 01-01-2011 05:19 PM

I think I'll wait and read these in print. Anyway, Dan Chiasson's apotheosis of C. D. Wright in the 1/3 New Yorker has put me off my feed for a couple of days.

Ann Drysdale 01-02-2011 02:41 AM

Maryann: Who is there who will speak my language and explain to me what these writers mean to do?

This crystallises a notion I have long held in a corner of my head - that translation is perhaps the truest form of criticism. I like the look of that idea from the other side.

One of the things that has always worried me about "lit-crit" is that it has become a genre, with a specialised language that distances it from the text under discussion. Introducing the notion of "critic as translator" acknowledges the subjectivity of such writing and even, indirectly, dignifies the use of the first person singular, long banished from "serious" criticism and the academic essay..


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