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Originally Posted by Roger Slater
To say that moral precepts did not arise from the ocean's muck is not to say that the only other possibility is that there is an invisible being who said "let it be." You believe in God, who gave us morality. I simply believe in morality. I think eliminating the middle man is more sensible and gets us to the exact same place.
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If I understand correctly, Roger, you don't believe there is such a thing as
God but you do believe there is such a thing as
Good as something absolute, not relative. Most of us here agree that the supreme court ruling was good, but some disagree. We can also agree that some of the previous rulings such as of Citizen's United were not only not good but very bad. This is to be expected because the lawgivers are far from perfect. But though we may disagree about what is Good, we may be able to agree that there is such a thing as absolute Good whether we agree about what it is or not. The idea of there being an absolute good or moral law is at the heart of the Moral Argument for the existence of God which is summarized in this very amusing cartoon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxiAikEk2vU. I know you don't subscribe to what you call the "middleman" as the source for what is Good, but to believe in the Good as something absolute whatever its foundation or source might be, is I think a species of religious belief, and I think that any way we can arrive at the Good (and the true and the beautiful) is good.