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Originally Posted by Roger Slater
And who is responsible for the Jewish genocide perpetrated by Hamas, which has repeatedly said that October 7th was just the beginning of their plans to wipe out an entire country and its population? And who is responsible for not releasing Jewish children whose parents were raped and killed before their eyes and who are now being held hostage in tunnels and being literally "branded" as prisoners by pressing their bodies up against burning hot tailpipes? Was that also Biden? I don't think so.
I'm not defending Israel's response, but it's worth noting that Israel's response is exactly what Hamas was hoping for and counting on. By viciously attacking Israel on October 7th, killing 1,200 and raping and mutilating women and children in the process, they were begging Israel to respond as it has done, so in that sense it is Hamas that is responsible for every death that has come out of the war they started. Hamas killed 1,200 Israelis, but is also responsible for having deliberately invited a response that killed the people they are pretending to defend (and which gullible people throughout the world believe they are defending).
I truly wish Israel hadn't taken the bait and responded as it did. But it was a fact that no one could have doubted that the October 7th attack would result in a massive Israeli response, leaving thousands dead, so perhaps you should take that into account when you are assigning blame.
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Israel is responsible for it. Do you seriously think that the Palestinians will never fight back? They should just accept it? They should have more and more of their land taken? That Hamas and Hezbollah magically appeared out of nowhere and for no reason?
Look at a map of Israel in 1948 and a map of it now. It is very clear who has wiped whom off the map.
Your framing, Roger, of the Hamas attack as genocide against Jews is exactly why the Zionist project is antisemitic. It equates violence, colonialism and apartheid as part and parcel of Judaism. For younger generations, the Holocaust (a sin of the Europeans, not the Arabs) is a thing of history and textbooks. What is very real to them, what is proliferated across social media, are images of the Star of David spraypainted on bombed out mosques and theaters, of the Israel flag fluttering over crumpled children and demolished cityscapes.
Israel has turned the Star of David into a hate symbol. This symbol grows and spreads. How is this not antisemitic?
And we don't know Hamas killed 1,200 Israelis. That's just what Israel said and Israel has lied every step of the way, including the beheaded babies and the Hamas HQ under various hospitals. And I think you have to admit that the IDF has a terrible record of friendly fire, including the recently murdered hostages. This is bound to happen when the policy is to shoot first. It is hard to imagine that the 1,200 dead on October 7 were all killed by Hamas, especially as it doesn't seem that Hamas had the literal fire power to scorch the corpses in the way they were found (the IDF, however, does). A more recent source rounds the number to
fewer than 700 civilians.
You may not think Hamas's tactics are smart or useful but they are bound to happen and will continue to happen. Hamas is not the problem. You could eradicate them tomorrow and another group of people will take its place because the other option for the Palestinians is to let Israel do what it has done since its creation: take more and more land and turn the Palestinians into permanent exiles.
This thread should be locked. The topic did not need to be brought up on Eratosphere and Duncan frankly does not have the wherewithal or knowledge to direct the conversation, which was never about Alareer in the first place.
"Everything is rotten in Israel.
It is rotten to the core.
Its letters:
The "I" is not an eye;
They do not see here.
The "S" snakes into my prison.
Ra
Eel.
Yuck!
Look who is in prison now!
israel."