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Unread 07-26-2019, 04:14 PM
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So, Mueller's testimony. He didn't seem to know his own case. And a fairly important case. And I just can't agree that it's unfair to accuse when you can't prosecute. Especially when congress can move to impeach. Utter nonsense. I think, the way things will unroll, not a good legacy for him. Obstruction is a given, and though conspiracy is harder to prove, it's right on the doorstep.

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Unread 07-28-2019, 05:44 AM
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James: I just can't agree that it's unfair to accuse when you can't prosecute. Especially when congress can move to impeach. Utter nonsense.

I agree entirely. Mueller could have made it easier for the wheels to turn with his testimony. No more tight lips, Bobby 3-Sticks. I suggest he write an op-ed and get it all out in the open.
Btw, how in the world did a law get put into place that says sitting presidents cannot be indicted for their actions while in office? Seriously? Above the law? Trump's favorite place to be: sitting pretty above the law.
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Unread 07-28-2019, 11:38 AM
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Went on quite a rant with the original post, so this is the heavily redacted version. Yeah, frustrating right? This isn't going after someone on some distant or irrelevant charge for purely political reasons. It's serious stuff, like, um, national security. And this buffoon could most likely be impeached for any number of reasons anyway. I don't think you have to cross the t's and dot the i's here. It's almost become too ridiculous to endure.
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Unless Iíve miscounted my beans, there is no law, as such, against indicting a sitting pepsodent, umm. Itís a Dept. of Justice policy, and on the whole not all bad. The policy provides a degree of stability even in this day of divided demagogic impulses. There is a well-known route to resolving evidence of major criminality: successful impeachment. Iím more concerned about wasting natural resources and raping the environment to fuel global warming than repugnant sexual activity. Stand back and think about the world oneís descendants must endure. For those lacking descendants, think and consider the world one might be reincarnated into. Reincarnation is just futilely kicking the can down the road for me, but thatís another discussion. Pull up your socks, itís a DOJ policy not to indict even a polarizing president, and consider the alternative: snap decisions based on inflamed passions of the sort that destroyed Athens and seriously wounded most participating European countries in World War One. A single step at a time. Hasten slowly.
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I thought only Democrats had sex. Socialists more, and communists it's just one constant orgy. Trump, rapists, obviously don't factor into it. Well, Allen, consider saving the environment a perk. There's a lot of bad stuff going on behind those tweets.

* I should note that "repugnant" wasn't specific enough for me. (Sex can be consensually repugnant. Just saying.)

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Am I now recently having, or have I ever had or desired recently or not, molecular congress with a different human mammal? I take the Sixty-Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution, and decline to answer in the negative. On a burnt up planet, perks are meaningless.

Periscope down, please. Make a course for the Souda, Crete.
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Unread 07-28-2019, 03:40 PM
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Well, I agree. But that's where we are now. And before the planet burns up, women will lose their reproductive rights, the divide between the haves and nots will grow ever wider, proper health care will only be for the privileged, and popular music will continue to get worse.
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James, I thought you were engaging in a bit of Trumpian hyperbole until I got to "and popular music will continue to get worse." Can you imagine such a world?

Allen, Ok, the DOJ policy not to indict a sitting president serves a good purpose. But the route left open to pursue accountability requires a fair degree of bipartisan support --not going to happen.
Trump's divisive, litigious nature combined with his other "character flaws" have effectively made that process out of reach. Nixon never had it so good. To impeach would require a functioning governing body. Here's something to sleep on: walk through the front door of the WH (it's open) follow the map available inside the door to the spot marked by an oval, and slap the tiny handcuffs on the mob boss masquerading as a plumber hired to drain the swamp. When you wake up, circle 11/3/20 on your calendar and stay vigilant. They all fall down.

As for the testimony, Mueller has called a spade a club -- in pig latin no less. Yes, hasten, slowly. To the voting booth. That's the escalator back up.
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Unread 07-28-2019, 05:51 PM
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Well. My own take is that Mueller was hamstrung by his own perhaps exaggerated sense of propriety, but also, and quite importantly, by the DOJ's ongoing sabotaging of his ability to function. The DOJ (Barr) has put quite a bit of work into this ,and that work should not be underestimated. It's all well and good wishing for a different Mueller than the Boy Scout we have, but anyone else would have been demolished before now by the assault he has withstood. We can't have it both ways.
Yes, it would be nice to indict Trump. And I feel personally that this would be right. But Mueller has been determined to be the good solider and, I think, not be Comey. He has walked a thin line. I am not going to snipe at him from the sidelines in consequence. He's made it quite clear that Trump, to his mind, is entirely fair game for prison after his term ends. The nation has a job to do as well, in 2020. I think Mueller has faith that job can be done, and that has helped to keep him going.

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I should not have complained about RM. You're right, John. Frustration.
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