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Unread 08-13-2018, 05:37 PM
John Isbell John Isbell is offline
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Hi John,

You're quite right. I just hear praise of Cummings and would like more folks to know his predecessor. Glad you're enjoying it!

Cheers,
John
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Andrew, I recently discovered David Jones. Thanks for posting that. Here is a short video you may like if you're a David Jones fan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psQk...index=3&t=231s
Thanks for the video, John, I loved it. David Jones was remarkable, both as poet and painter. Read his book of essays on art Epoch and Artist, if you haven't already. His mentor Eric Gill was another one who inscribed words into visual patterns.

Here's a link to a recording of Jones reading from his poem In Parenthesis
, based on his experiences in WWI.

Thanks again,

Andrew

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I believe East Asian calligraphy didn't experiment with formatting in the same way.
In South Asia there is the tradition of chitra kavya and in Chinese there is reversible poetry. About the latter I will share my Facebook post from April 2017:

"A fun discovery. I have been reading about Chinese reversible picture poems ["huiwen shi"]. The most influential of these is Su Hui's "Map of the Armillary," which she wrote and then weaved into a brocade to mail to her exiled husband. The poem consists of 840 characters placed in a circle, so that the lines can be read in whatever order the reader pleases—only her lover knew the correct way. The form results in thousands of possible readings, with one Sinologist claiming to have discovered at least 14000 such paths.

I became convinced that Borges must have known about huiwen shi when he wrote "The Garden of Forking Paths," despite the fact that almost all the major anthologies of Chinese reversible poetry were published only in the latter half of the twentieth century. That short story details an author who obsesses over the idea of an infinite book whose plot lines can be read inexhaustible ways. Rereading tonight I found this: the author's name is Ts'ui Pen, an almost-homonym of Su Hui's pen!

According to Google, this connection has not been made, meaning that Borges, Su Hui, and her fictional counterpart now have one less path to parse."
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Hi Orwn (I like this handle),

And thank you for sharing that post. Fascinating stuff. I do like Borges and if you don't care much about credit, I'd suggest finding the Borges Society - there surely is one - and sending your insight their way. Borges was of course a *tremendous* reader.

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John
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Hi John,

My source to discover more about Apollinaire's predecessors is this great little book, Pattern Poetry: https://books.google.com/books?id=vLNjq4New-MC&printsec=frontcover&dq=pattern+poems&hl=en&sa=X &ved=0ahUKEwj6krWx0IjdAhXsyVQKHW-tBFcQ6AEIMDAB#v=onepage&q=pattern%20poems&f=false. One of my fave courses to teach is Graphic Poetry and the Graphic Novel, since so many people know about the graphic novel but are ignorant of the poetry tradition. Mary Ellen Solt is probably the best of those in the post-Apollinaire era, though I have a soft spot for Kenneth Patchen. See ya, Tony
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Hi Tony,

Thank you so much for the Pattern Poetry reference and link. I appreciate it.

Cheers,
John
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