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Old 04-16-2018, 02:52 PM
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" My God, what a genius I had when I wrote that book ! "
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:13 PM
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I know Quevado's lyric work, but didn't know the satire. Seems like a natural direction to check out.
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Old 04-17-2018, 08:14 AM
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I'm reading Kirk Freudenburg's collection of essays on Roman Satire, and thought this an interesting tidbit to think about how satirical poetry differs, in many ways, from lyric:
Compared to writers working in other genres, Rome’s verse satirists are unusually expressive when it comes to laying out the genealogies of their works. They do this by inviting us to look into their bookbags to see what they have been reading. This is to put the satirist’s legendary frankness to work at the level of his theoretical discussion. But it is also a necessary means of helping us place their works in reference to all the varied traditions that satire includes. For as the ancient lanx satura (“heaped plate”) metaphor suggests, satire is less a thing in itself than it is a momentary, willed coherence of discrete materials cobbled together, this and that, messily contained.
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I'm popping in to say that Dryden himself had a hand in producing a contemporary translation of Boileau with the title "The art of poetry written in French by the Sieur de Boileau ; made English," though he chose to leave his name off it. As far as I can tell, there's no modern version, in case anyone is looking for a large project with no reward. I know that Boileau wrote some satires in the Roman sense, but I haven't gone through any of them.

Donne also has some satires in the older sense, Andrew.

And thanks, John. I hadn't come across Dr. Syntax either.

Of course, one of the greatest modern satirists is none other than our Sam Gwynn, though A.M. Juster is also throwing in his hat with his recent Sleaze & Slander.

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Old 04-18-2018, 03:42 AM
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Andrew, that's a very nice passage.
Edward, it's nice to be reminded satire is alive and well!

Cheers,
John
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