Eratosphere Forums - Metrical Poetry, Free Verse, Fiction, Art, Critique, Discussions Able Muse - a review of poetry, prose and art

Forum Left Top

Notices

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #71  
Unread 05-25-2021, 12:16 AM
Tim McGrath Tim McGrath is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Chicago
Posts: 220
Default

Rhyming is a gift like any other. Shakespeare was a great rhymer who only occasionally resorted to off-rhymes. John Claire was also a good rhymer. Bob Dylan too. As Johnny Cash once said, he can rhyme the tick of time. So could Emily Dickinson, but sometimes, out of perversity, she would rhyme tick with tock, which is cute, but no poem that has imperfect rhymes can be considered perfect. ED was not a perfectionist, but she often achieved perfection without even trying. Few stanzas written by anyone are as purely poetic as this, an ode to the Civil War dead:

They dropped like flakes,
They dropped like stars,
Like petals from a rose
When suddenly across the June
A wind with fingers goes.

Last edited by Tim McGrath; 05-25-2021 at 01:14 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Unread 05-25-2021, 08:41 AM
John Riley John Riley is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 6,261
Default

Yes, it was "cute" because it didn't represent facile notions of superficial perfection.
Reply With Quote
  #73  
Unread 05-25-2021, 09:02 AM
Roger Slater Roger Slater is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: New York
Posts: 16,493
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim McGrath View Post
no poem that has imperfect rhymes can be considered perfect
It depends who is doing the considering, I suppose. Your view is not widely shared.
Reply With Quote
  #74  
Unread 05-26-2021, 08:50 PM
Tim McGrath Tim McGrath is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Chicago
Posts: 220
Default

As someone who was practiced in the art of self-denial, Dickinson was capable of intentionally sabotaging her poems.

Some overreaching Dickinson scholars find meaning in whether one of her dashes is slanted up or down. If a dash is meant to be a pause, then it disrupts the 4/3 meter that Dickinson so loved.

Statistically, her capitalizations are randomly distributed. Take, for example, the word "night." She uses it 150 times and capitalizes it 60. Which means that she capitalized at whim.

A poem is not a visual production. A poem, like a mathematical object, exists in a realm beyond the paper it is printed on.

Yes, I am a Platonist.

Last edited by Tim McGrath; 05-26-2021 at 09:18 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #75  
Unread 05-27-2021, 07:26 AM
mignon ledgard mignon ledgard is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Florida
Posts: 325
Default The thread on Emily Dickinson

I'm enjoying this thread and wish there were more illumination thrown in from those who know her work best.

However, this line gives me pause:

"Statistically, her capitalizations are randomly distributed. Take, for example, the word "night." She uses it 150 times and capitalizes it 60. Which means that she capitalized at whim."--
Especially, the conclusion drawn: "Which means that she capitalized at whim." Even if it were true, it would still be a 'false' conclusion: a conjencture.

That she did not always capitalized does not 'mean' that she did so 'at whim.'

Come on, Tim! Numbers prove no such thing. I say this confidently because the same could be said of my poems, while I always have a reason when I do capitalize a common noun--not that I always wish to divulge it.

I'm beginning to think this is more like a truncated game for which rules and a board have not yet been procured.

Last edited by mignon ledgard; 05-27-2021 at 11:59 AM. Reason: a typo pulled me in.
Reply With Quote
  #76  
Unread 05-27-2021, 08:43 AM
Roger Slater Roger Slater is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: New York
Posts: 16,493
Default

"As someone who was practiced in the art of self-denial, Dickinson was capable of intentionally sabotaging her poems."

You're getting very bizarre here. Emily Dickinson sabatoged her own poems and now we have Tim, who claims to love Dickinson's poems as much as anyone, doing a statistical analysis to save Emily from her own self-destructive impulses and whims. This is right out of the Twilight Zone.
Reply With Quote
  #77  
Unread 05-27-2021, 09:16 AM
Max Goodman Max Goodman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
Posts: 2,256
Default

Tim, you're free to read and create as you please, but you sound ridiculous making rules for others and proving that Emily Dickinson didn't do what she did.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim McGrath View Post
A poem is not a visual production.
Thanks for correcting my lying eyes.
Reply With Quote
  #78  
Unread 05-30-2021, 06:48 AM
W T Clark W T Clark is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: England
Posts: 1,331
Default

You have the mind of a nineteenth-century publisher, Tim.
Reply With Quote
  #79  
Unread 05-30-2021, 01:38 PM
Tim McGrath Tim McGrath is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Chicago
Posts: 220
Default

Yes, I do. I am the love child of Mabel Loomis Todd and Thomas Wentworth Higginson.
Reply With Quote
  #80  
Unread 06-25-2021, 01:07 PM
RCL's Avatar
RCL RCL is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 6,766
Default

Growth of Man - like Growth of Nature -
Gravitates within -
Atmosphere, and Sun endorse it -
But it stir - alone -

Each - its difficult Ideal
Must achieve - Itself -
Through the solitary prowess
Of a Silent Life -

Effort - is the sole condition -
Patience of Itself -
Patience of opposing forces -
And intact Belief -

Looking on - is the Department
Of its Audience -
But Transaction - is assisted
By no Countenance -

Johnson 750; Franklin 790 (includes the final dash)
__________________
Ralph

Last edited by RCL; 06-25-2021 at 01:16 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



Forum Right Top
Forum Left Bottom Forum Right Bottom
 
Right Left
Member Login
Forgot password?
Forum LeftForum Right


Forum Statistics:
Forum Members: 8,403
Total Threads: 21,892
Total Posts: 271,339
There are 3834 users
currently browsing forums.
Forum LeftForum Right


Forum Sponsor:
Donate & Support Able Muse / Eratosphere
Forum LeftForum Right
Right Right
Right Bottom Left Right Bottom Right

Hosted by ApplauZ Online