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Old 09-15-2017, 04:33 PM
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The last time I did so, Allen, you red-baited me for using the word "comrade" (to refer to Beau Brummell, of all people!), so no thanks.
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Old 09-15-2017, 07:41 PM
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Like Anne, I got de-railed on C.H.U.D but it led me instead to a terrible/wonderful looking 80s horror movie! (Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller). I love that shit.

As to the original post, I'm not sure I understand the point of it. A lot of right-wing horrible nonsense. Am I supposed to be worried?

Edit: more worried than I already am, that is. What with Trump in the White House, North Korea launching missiles, Islamists putting bombs in tube trains (again). I'm confused.

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Old 09-16-2017, 04:12 AM
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Yes, Mark - the film with the lady in the shower, and the alternative acronym Contamination Hazard Urban Disposal. That. I have since had a quick check on MAGA, which I might have worked out for myself, given the context.

I am not just being silly here. I am reinforcing Jayne's point. A sentence, even, to flesh out the title, would have helped and saved a lot of embarrassed fumbling for the meaning of the thread, which has the unfortunate effect of trivialising the actual message.
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Old 09-16-2017, 06:53 AM
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Reading Quincy's reply to Jayne, it seems the main point is that the magazines/journals these articles come from are friendly towards metrical poetry and therefore metrical poetry has an unfortunate association with conservative/right wing ideology. I think. Not being a) published (well hardly) or b) American I'm still missing the nuance. The article about gay marriage is particularly odious though.

Oh well. I'm off to find a bow-tie wearing goateed liberal to prove Quincy's stereotyping wrong. Or maybe a fascist who dresses like something from a Tim Burton movie/early 80s English goth band.

Edit: all in good fun, Quincy, and probably fuelled by envy. I think you're a very stylish gent.

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Old 09-16-2017, 05:43 PM
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It's true that First Things is a little too conservative-Catholic oriented for my taste, but on the other hand, it's the only magazine that pays real money for poetry whose poetry editor seems to like my work. I can put up with a lot of guff for that.
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Old 09-16-2017, 07:13 PM
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I published a couple of translations in First Things, and I wasn't then troubled by what I perceived to be a conservative and religious philosophy that I didn't share, but there came a point when I felt they shifted from conservatism as a philosophy I thought wrong, to conservatism that was a rationalization for hateful and thoroughly reprehensible bigotry and intolerance. We all have to draw the line somewhere, and I don't condemn those who draw the line elsewhere than where I draw it, but to my great regret I decided some time ago that I could no longer send them any of my work. It's too bad, since they do publish poetry that has little to do with their hateful agenda, and they do have a large audience, but I don't want to participate in dignifying a magazine whose overall role seems to be justifying bigotry and hatred.
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Old 09-16-2017, 11:04 PM
Susan McLean Susan McLean is online now
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What Roger said. I don't feel I have to share the philosophy of every magazine my poems appear in, but if I am downright appalled with the views being expressed, I would rather go elsewhere. I originally just thought it was a religious magazine, and I have nothing against religion, despite not being religious myself. But reading what was published there (other than the often quite good poetry) put me off. So I stopped sending poetry there.

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Old 09-17-2017, 08:18 PM
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What Roger and Susan said. About two years ago, after reading a really horrendous piece in the magazine, I decided to withdraw two poems that already had been accepted.
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Old 09-19-2017, 06:47 AM
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I agree with Jayne, Bob, and Ann. When I see a post containing only links with no clue as to the subject matter, I really can't be bothered to open them. I also feel as though the poster is saying "Hey, I've given you the hoops. All you have to do is jump through them."
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Old 09-22-2017, 02:58 PM
James Brancheau James Brancheau is offline
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(Ha, Mark, that movie came to mind immediately. And never watched it. Maybe it's on a tape with Three Men and a Baby in the closet somewhere.)
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