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It's behind a paywall, Sam, or at least it is for me.

Was there something specific in the article you wanted to draw attention to, or were you just wanting to alert us to his passing?
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I'm sure there are other obits online. This one seems a little condescending: MINNESOTA POET DIES AT 94.
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Sam, Yes, I agree. It diminished him.
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Here is the NYT obit Sam linked above for those who hit the paywall. I'm not sure I've completely extracted it/edited out the advertisements, photos, etc.


Robert Bly, Poet Who Gave Rise to a Men’s Movement, Dies at 94

His most famous, and most controversial, work was “Iron John,” which made the case that American men had grown soft and feminized. It made him a cultural phenomenon.

By Robert D. McFadden
Nov. 22, 2021
Robert Bly, the Minnesota poet, author and translator who articulated the solitude of landscapes, galvanized protests against the Vietnam War and started a controversial men’s movement with a best seller that called for a restoration of primal male audacity, died on Sunday at his home in Minneapolis. He was 94.

The death was confirmed by his wife, Ruth Bly.

From the sheer volume of his output — more than 50 books of poetry, translations of European and Latin American writers, and nonfiction commentaries on literature, gender roles and social ills, as well as poetry magazines he edited for decades — one might imagine a recluse holed up in a North Woods cabin. And Mr. Bly did live for many years in a small town in Minnesota, immersing himself in the poetry of silent fields and snowy woodlands.

But from relative obscurity he roared into national consciousness in the 1960s, with antiwar free verse that attacked President Lyndon B. Johnson, Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara and Gen. William C. Westmoreland, the commander in Vietnam. His pen also took on the American war machine:

Massive engines lift beautifully from the deck,
Wings appear over the trees, wings with eight hundred rivets,
Engines burning a thousand gallons of gasoline a minute sweep over the huts with dirt floors.

In 1966, Mr. Bly co-founded American Writers Against the Vietnam War and toured the country, rallying the opposition with poetry “read-ins” on campuses and in town halls. He won the National Book Award for poetry for “The Light Around the Body” (1967), and donated his $1,000 prize to the draft resistance.

Mr. Bly’s book on men was on The New York Times’s best-seller list for 62 weeks, including 10 weeks as No. 1, and was translated into many languages.
Taking another abrupt turn in 1990, he published what was to become his most famous work, “Iron John: A Book About Men,” which drew on myths, legends, poetry and science of a sort to make the case that American men had grown soft and feminized and needed to rediscover their primitive virtues of ferocity and audacity and thus regain the self-confidence to be nurturing fathers and mentors.

The book touched a nerve. It was on The New York Times’s best-seller list for 62 weeks, including 10 weeks as No. 1, and was translated into many languages.

Mr. Bly was profiled in newspapers, magazines and a 90-minute PBS special by Bill Moyers, who called him “the most influential poet writing today.” He became a cultural phenomenon, a father figure to millions. He held men-only seminars and weekend retreats, gatherings often in the woods with men around campfires thumping drums, making masks, hugging, dancing and reading poetry aloud.

He said his “mythopoetic men’s movement” was not intended to turn men against women. But many women called it a put-down, an atavistic reaction to the feminist movement. Cartoonists and talk-show hosts ridiculed it, dismissing it as tree-hugging self-indulgence by middle-class baby boomers. Mr. Bly, a shambling white-haired guru who strummed a bouzouki and wore colorful vests, was easily mocked as Iron John himself, a hairy wild man who, in the German myth, helped aimless princes in their quests.
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Undismayed, he continued his workshops for years with a more down-to-earth focus. He gave up the drums, but still used myths and poetry and invited women and men to discuss an array of topics, including parenting and racism.

And he continued to write rivers of poetry, to edit magazines and to translate works from Swedish, Norwegian, German and Spanish, and to churn out jeremiads. In “The Sibling Society” (1996), Mr. Bly called for mentoring a generation of children growing up without fathers, who were being shaped instead by rock music, violent movies, television and computers into what he called a state of perpetual adolescence.

But he saw hope.

“The biggest influence we’ve had,” he told The Times in 1996, “is in younger men who are determined to be better fathers than their own fathers were.”

Robert Elwood Bly was born in Lac qui Parle County in western Minnesota on Dec. 23, 1926, to Norwegian farmers, Jacob and Alice (Aws) Bly. He graduated from high school in Madison, Minn., (pop. 600) in 1944, served two years in the Navy and studied for a year at St. Olaf College, in Northfield, Minn. He then transferred to Harvard.

“One day while studying a Yeats poem I decided to write poetry the rest of my life,” he recalled in a 1984 essay for The Times. “I recognized that a single short poem has room for history, music, psychology, religious thought, mood, occult speculation, character and events of one’s own life.”

After graduation in 1950, he spent several years in New York immersing himself in poetry.

In 1955, he married Carol McLean, a writer. They had four children, Bridget, Mary, Micah and Noah, and were divorced in 1979. In 1980, he married Ruth Ray, a Jungian therapist. In addition to her, Mr. Bly is survived by his children; a stepdaughter, Wesley Dutta; and nine grandchildren. A stepson, Samuel Ray, died in 1984.

Mr. Bly earned a master’s degree at the Writers’ Workshop at the University of Iowa in 1956, then returned to Madison. On a fellowship, he lived in Norway in 1956-57. In 1958, he founded a poetry magazine, The Fifties, which survived to become The Sixties, The Seventies and The Eighties. It published works by Federico García Lorca, Pablo Neruda and many others.

In the 1970s, he wrote 11 books of poetry, essays and translations, delving into myths, meditations and Indian ecstatic verse. In the ’80s and ’90s, he produced 27 books, including “The Man in the Black Coat Turns” (1981), “Loving a Woman in Two Worlds” (1985) and “Selected Poems” (1986).

Mr. Bly, who had homes in Minneapolis and Moose Lake, Minn., was the recipient of many awards and the subject of many books and essays.

In recent years, he traveled widely, lecturing, reading poems and joining discussion panels, and in 2008 he was named Minnesota’s first poet laureate by Gov. Tim Pawlenty. In 2004, he published “The Insanity of Empire: A Book of Poems Against the War in Iraq,” and in an introduction noted wryly that little had changed since Vietnam.

“We are still in a blindfold,” he wrote, “still being led by the wise of this world.”



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Unread 11-23-2021, 08:13 AM
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Bly and I opposed some of the same wars, so I have to acknowledge that he wasn’t wrong about everything, but his fulminations against rhyme and meter were as silly as the most extreme New Formalist screeds against free verse, and his Rusty John hippie machismo was the stuff of embarrassing self-parody.
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Unread 11-23-2021, 08:23 AM
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I doubt very much he will be remembered for his poetry—I have never read it, have in fact only heard of the "deep image" school in passing, and neither, it appears, have many others—as a poet he seems minor; nor does his "men's movement" seem particularly memorable or likely to rest in the public imagination—again, I had never heard of it; but his translations of Trakl and Tranströmer seem some of the best in the language, that is really for me where his legacy lies.

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He gave perhaps the least boring poetry reading I've ever attended. He was quite the performer, donning masks and colorful robes and racing around the room declaiming poetry (often not his own) to the rafters. I also submitted some poems to him when I was in high school and writing for maybe just a few months, and though the poems I sent him were complete crap he rejected them in a warm and kind two-page handwritten letter (which, like a fool, I did not keep).
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I don't know Swedish but I prefer reading Bly's translations of Transtromer over Robin Fulton's.
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Thanks for this, Sam, as I wasn’t aware of his passing, and Jim, for getting us past the paywall. I too attended one of his riveting poetry readings, which I enjoyed much more than the poems I read of his on the page, although I knew of many inspired by his work. What I noticed was his minimalism in his own work, at least the earlier poems, and also his anti-war poetry. He struck me as very genuine and gracious as a person. Perhaps what makes him feel obscure currently is the breathtaking volume of poetry being currently churned out, where people seek in poets, as in products, the perennially new. Also, what felt groundbreaking and revolutionary in the 60’s and 70’s now feels somehow “dated.” Plus the rise of recognition for poets such as Merwin and Plath (even in that era) made his work seem more laid-back, except for translations. And even non-traditional ghazals. Working in indigenous myth also seemed to give his work more power. In any case he certainly worked tirelessly for poetry in so many ways, and deserves serious recognition. And I too never heard of the Iron John “phenomenon.”
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