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Old 06-11-2018, 11:39 PM
John Isbell John Isbell is offline
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Default The Lobster Quadrille

"What matters it how far we go?"
His scaly friend replied.
"There is another shore, you know,
Upon the other side.
The further off from England,
The nearer is to France.
Then turn not pale, beloved snail,
But come and join the dance."

I've long loved these lines, which IMO perfectly describe Dante's Purgatorio. I can also confirm from experience that indeed, the further off from England, the nearer is to France.


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Old 06-12-2018, 03:12 PM
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For reference the full text of the poem & the poem it parodies are here.

Dodgson/Carroll was a mathematician, a logician, and a clergyman. There are some indications of all that in S3 & also in the poem as a whole.

Some darker undertones, characteristic I think of Carroll.

The whiting tries to tempt the snail by offering a chance to get nearer to France. Lots of luck, snail! The animals are food animals. Even, poetically, the mock turtle.

Carroll was surreal before surrealism.
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Old 06-12-2018, 06:53 PM
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Yup, the whiting gets eaten in England, as Alice discusses, the snail in France, as she does not. Thanks for pointing that out, Woody!

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