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Default the most potent poetic image of the young century

this thread is your chance to convince me it's not Danny Brown's "octopus in a straightjacket"; best of luck my friends

https://youtu.be/EnfPzODj1kI?t=66
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I think my favorite Arctic Monkeys title is "perhaps vampires is a bit strong but...": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjzOUf0AEiQ
A great song. This I don't think matches octopus in a straitjacket, which is indeed splendid IMO.

On the other hand. It's not my favorite Amy Winehouse song, but I think my favorite image of hers is in "Some Unholy War": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAD0WNBTA0Y
Now this song opens,

If my man was fighting
Some unholy war
I would be behind him ...


which I think is pretty damn cool.

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Hi Aaron,

So ... are you convinced or not? You seem to have abdicated here!

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The Winehouse is a nice sentiment, but "octopus in a straightjacket" is raw power.

The straightjacket gives you constraint; that it's an octopus, with its eight arms, shows you viscerally just how much potential is being inhibited. Plus, the image is just straight up hilarious.

This last point is important, because the whole song is about Brown using his pain for others' entertainment. This is clear from the official video for the song (which I didn't post initially because the verse with the image in question is cut in the video). So "octopus in a straightjacket" is basically the entire song in miniature. Incredibly powerful four words. The Winehouse doesn't come close.
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Yes, you make a fine argument for octopus in a straitjacket. But I've never seen a partner assume her beloved might be "fighting some unholy war," as say the fallen angels did, and announce her allegiance to it. Winehouse was dead at 27 and the image to my mind goes some way to illustrating how she viewed her notoriously toxic relationship. I think it's more powerful than you've yet given it credit for.

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It's a bit Captain Beefheart, isn't it?

"A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous."

Great tune though!
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I had intended to post the video, but forgot. It's very good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L4JnAuW00k
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Good morning Aaron,

I guess you were convinced by my explanation, because you haven't responded to it. That is, if what you were looking for was discussion of your challenge to others, instead of ex cathedra pronouncements from you.

Cheers,
John

Update: just to add, this approach reminds me a bit of the Italian national team in the 1991 European Ultimate Championships. They'd make a pass, and then pose for a moment. It'a a natural temptation. Meanwhile, the disc would be caught, or not caught, or intercepted. Play went on. The team did not do well in that tournament.

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Winehouse's image, a lightly gussied up cliché, is too boring to be worth the knock-down, drag-out argument you seem to want.
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Hi Aaron,

Sure, that's a little bit of dialogue from you. Well done!
I enjoy dialogue, I think it's why I enjoy teaching.

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