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Unread 10-16-2020, 09:49 AM
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I'm way behind in my replies, but they're coming! Each response is so considered and deserves and equally considered reply. I'm getting there...

one quickie though for Mark and populism...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UIASRm7WtRg

More later. In debt to each of you for your thoughts.
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Unread 10-17-2020, 08:05 PM
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Sam

Hi Sam! I'm late to your party. I'm very pleased that you find this effective and no mean feat. Very pleased. I mulled the Bishop poem for a time and thought the similarity in the stanza by stanza scene setups, the crowd around central figure/s, and the pressure forward. I do take it as a compliment. Thank you for your read; I hope to have even better poems going forward.


Catherine:
Your response has caused me the most unhappiness-- not b/c you have a somewhat playful WTF moment though. That's all good. But because your response points up, as salt in a cookie points up the sugar, or a cough in the distance points up the quiet, it that "What's up with the title" is the sum of female responses. I haven't missed that and worry a bit and wonder.

Aaron N. (again)
Thanks for the effort you put in. I can always count on in-depth thinking and feeling from you. What's needed and what's not. Each stanza details something different. If only seen as a dance song, they are clearly superfluos. Argentine Tango is something people study like a martial art or like Jazz. There's joy in the perfecting, there's joy in the participating. As regards the perfecting, that warrants the detail of the set up. As dance is in no social vaccuum, it warrants clarity to pre-empt straw-man creation of man/woman in dance. As the high-falutin' ness might imply formal fakeness, background needs mention to fully set the scene.

About the closing flourish. It's a musical thing to have an abrupt change to end. Note that the final line is an addition. Note also the third-foot rhyme. Note the reversal in the two penultimate lines. This is how a tango often ends with a quick, abrreviated final gesture.

draws out, the DREAMy scene. DO THEY
still dance the tango here? THEY DO
The Tango ArgenTINE.

WTC
I appreciate the time you took to read this and the even more time you spent on your reply. Nonetheless, I'm not going to engage the baggage you superimpose on this. What small percentage of your commentary you restrict to poem rather than poet still comes unpacked from that baggage.
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Sheesh. (I pity the guy with the toxic bidi.) Nice.

PS. The “let us pray” adds a vital spotlight on how hot yet careful these two people are.

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Jim
Thank you so much for your praise and fully-felt read. To answer your question, "The Tango Argentine!" (I've just encountered it; can't get enough.)

Inversions: There's kindof a knee jerk allergy to them these days. A little twist for style and so many pee their pants over it. Whatever. Tango Neuvo, its natural outgrowth is getting big too. Man-woman: I'll say it a hundred times. One has to lose enough anxiety over the idea in order to see the real nature of things, the equity. I love your supportive expression: "not concise, precise". Yes, sometimes you have to let the verse relax and breathe a little. There's a lot twined together here as you note. Carnal, spiritual; aspiration, reality, man/woman, study/play, grace/suffering, remembering/forgetting, the hidden/the displayed... I could go on.

The question/answer//call/response: I quote "Premature Autopsies": "Nobility is always born somewhere out there in the world".


Mark,

I did sit down, involutarily as I read! Wow! Thank you. Regarding the nostalgic past. I spend zero time thinking about past eras. I think many have no other way of thinking about man being man and woman being woman. They haven't even tried it in real life in this era but rely on sources hostile to the idea and implicitly trust the straw men those sources make of it. Yet, it is my present reality. It is the reality of dance. For example, even my hyper-liberal, twenty-first century California girlfriend prefers that I drive and that I make and manage reservations-- and likes that I hold doors for her. She does, at least now that she can feel reasonably safe she won't be taken advantage of from within or attacked from without. I'll never understand the mind that transforms showing honor to someone somehow equates to belittlement-- and I never want to. Ug! Enough!! Sorry about all that.

[More fun.] Hm. I think that's the best observation of the lot. I feel happiness when I read it, but sense what you are talking about. It's so *serious* in some ways. As for "Let us pray" being too much. I think I'll cop to that. Okay. Overthetop. Good!

Allen,
Hey! Thank you for the props. Hopefully more and better still to come.
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