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Old 11-01-2017, 06:34 PM
Aaron Poochigian Aaron Poochigian is offline
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Default Bacchae--The Exodos

Chorus:
Exodos

The numinous has many shapes and ways;
our deities are given to surprise.
Whenever one wants to astonish us,
the unexpected comes about,
and that is how this play turned out.

. . . . .

Line 4: was "what we expect fails to come about"

. . . . .

Prose Translation by Gregory Nagy and Alexander Sens

Many are the forms of things of the daimones, and the gods bring many things to pass unexpectedly. 1390 What is expected does not come to telos, and a god finds a way for the unexpected. So too has this affair turned out.

Prose Translation by T.A. Buckley

Many are the forms of divine things, and the gods bring to pass many things unexpectedly; [1390] what is expected has not been accomplished, but the god has found out a means for doing things unthought of. So too has this event turned out.

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Greek Text
Χορός

πολλαὶ μορφαὶ τῶν δαιμονίων,
πολλὰ δ᾽ ἀέλπτως κραίνουσι θεοί:
καὶ τὰ δοκηθέντ᾽ οὐκ ἐτελέσθη,
τῶν δ᾽ ἀδοκήτων πόρον ηὗρε θεός.
τοιόνδ᾽ ἀπέβη τόδε πρᾶγμα.

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Old 11-01-2017, 06:51 PM
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Crisp and telling. I especially enjoyed the last couplet.

Cheers,
John
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Old 11-01-2017, 07:12 PM
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Thank you, John. Euripides plays tend to end with such little choral codas (some of them having slight apparent relevance to their plays). I think crisp is the way--get it done and get out.
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Old 11-01-2017, 07:23 PM
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I discovered in Greece in 2015 that Exodos is what the exits say. It does seem the way to go!
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Old 11-03-2017, 07:01 PM
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Aaron,

Popping in here to say I really like this. The slant rhyme of the first three lines has grown on me. I wonder if you could do a little playing with the fourth line:

"what we expect fails to come about"

The original reads a little over-formal in the original (I know, it's the chorus), but I think it might be cool to do the form/content thing here.
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Old 11-03-2017, 07:38 PM
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Thank you, Andrew. Yes, that fourth line is frustrating me a bit.

I'm happy with rest--I took care of the repetitions and made the passives active.

That line in the original is something like "what is expected is not brought to its telos"--hideous in English.

what we expect will fail to come about

I am tempted by your

what we expect fails to come about

but I can't persuade myself that an actor could comfortably read "fails" as two syllables (unless he were British).

All the other possibilities I can come up with suck:

what is expected fails to come about

what we envisage fails to come about

etcetera

Ah-Ha!

How about past of "expected"

Whenever one wants to astonish us,
what we expected fails to come about,
and that is how this play turned out.

No, maybe not.
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Old 11-03-2017, 09:01 PM
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our conjectures will swerve about
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Old 11-03-2017, 09:11 PM
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How about

Whenever one wants to astonish us,
what we've expected fails to come about,
and that is how this play turned out.
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Old 11-04-2017, 12:11 PM
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John, John, your suggestion solves the problem but I have decided not to allow myself contractions in the odes.

I have been able to persuade myself, however, that Andrew's original suggestion is the way to go--"fails" is metrically ambiguous enough that I can be quite happy with:

what we expect fails to come about

Best, best,

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Old 11-04-2017, 12:13 PM
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It's better than mine.
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