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ross hamilton hill ross hamilton hill is offline
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https://youtu.be/cWo8NhxnaPQ

This is a YouTube slide show I put together some years ago, forgive the lame guitar work. 'The Alice' is local slang ofr Alice Springs, the mainly aboriginial town in the center of Australia. Two of the paintings have already appeared on this forum. I'm posting this because I don't seem to be able to post newer works in a large enough size.
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Ross - this is nothing but a vanity post. It's the equivalent of somebody putting up a published chapbook on the Poetry Boards and saying "Look at me, look at me, admire my work." We don't pull that in Poetry (although sometimes some try), and we shouldn't do it in Art either. If you don't have anything to post, there is no rule that says you have to post something just to be a presence.

(A second reason I make a fuss about this is that if the Art site turns into a vanity Board, we start attracting sandbox vanity posters. And it's only a matter of time before they decide, "Oh, wow, I can be a poet also" and start posting beginner's drivel on the poetry Boards. It's happened.)

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Michael, you are such a control freak.

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Possibly, Ross, but the reason we have these rules and guidelines is to prevent the self-involved from turning the Sphere into one more, "Thank you for posting your lovely poem/painting/recipe/essay," smooch-site. And if somebody didn't speak up occasionally (as opposed to rolling their eyes, but not saying anything) that's what would happen.

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Michael, what rule or guideline makes my post inadmissable, it is my work, it has been seen by 35 people on YouTube, half of those hits would be me. It is all my own work, so what in your opinion makes it any different from any other work of art posted here. YouTube is to my knowledge the only way you can create a link to Erato for works that combine sond and image. There may be others but I don't know of them.
Many people post work that has appeared on other forums, many, yourself included, post work that was created years ago.
I am interested in criticism, I respond to all critiques of my work and I participate fully in critiqueing other people's work.
In other words I am an active member of Eratophere, if you have a problem with that then I suggest that problem is all of your own making.
Sharon is the moderator, it is her decision as to what remains posted, it is discourteous to her that you feel compelled to adopt her role as if she is incompetent or as if the whole thing is so vital, such a calamity that you have to take control. You have not said a single thing about the work in question, you just, for no clear reason, resent the fact that I have posted it and assume I am being vain by doing so. That's insulting and unjustified.

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Michael, what rule or guideline makes my post inadmissable, it is my work, it has been seen by 35 people on YouTube, half of those hits would be me.
The rule that limits you to one piece of work at a time. This is the equivalent of posting about seventeen poems. If somebody did that on the poetry boards it would be bounced at once. If you had posted a single piece - or even two - I wouldn't have said anything. But you're putting up an entire show/chapbook. That's not workshopping. It's taking advantage of people, and I call it a vanity post. Do you expect somebody to go through each piece, commenting? Or only a few? Does that mean that I can post seventeen old poems (believe me, I have many that have been seen by less than 35 people) and ask people to comment on whichever they please? The purpose of these rules and guidelines is to make sure we all get equal time and opportunity.

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Sharon is the moderator, it is her decision as to what remains posted, it is discourteous to her that you feel compelled to adopt her role as if she is incompetent or as if the whole thing is so vital, such a calamity that you have to take control.
I am expressing an opinion. I have every right to do that. It takes place regularly on all Boards.

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You have not said a single thing about the work in question
First - I'm not going to comment because of the reasons I have already explained. Do you seriously think that I'm going to complain that you shouldn't have put up all those drawings at one time - and then take the time to comment on them? Do you think that sounds ever so slightly self-involved? Secondly - believe me - I don't believe that my comments would help our relationship.

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Hey Ross--

I do think it would be better if you posted two or three at a time instead of the video (but the music does seem to go with it). I'm speaking way outside of my expertise (for all I know there are tons of stuff out there just like this), but it seems you have a real voice in your work (sorry, it's the lingo I'm comfortable using). The second is by far my favorite, and I like 10 and 11 a lot too. The few that followed 11 (with the lines through-- I dunno how to say it-- digital static ??), not so much.

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Thanks Sharon. Really had no idea.

I think, Roger, children's art has been studied, and some of it is genius. So, you could have thrown away a masterpiece. Who knows...
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James, the ones you disliked "digital static' are the least connected to my Alice Springs expereince, I included them because technically they were a breakthrough, pushing the app to it's limits and then finding something appear in a way you can never recreate, I felt they just qualified as being true to the piece, my best friend is a real desert goer and he always impresssed me with how important electronic communication is out there, it is a life line as it is so easy to get stuck and die unless you can contact help. That feeling of depending on the lifeline of radio waves is what I felt those digital paintings conveyed. But it is a stretch and I too had misgivings about including them.
When I look at the piece, the images roll past, I imagine everyone does that, but of course all the images are familiar to me, I suppose that is why I got into such a silly spat with Michael, I just couldn't see the obvious point he was making, that of course they first and foremost are individual works. Still I hope anyone interested enough will, after they have understood each picture, be able to watch it as one experience. It is only 2.13 minutes long. Quite fleeting.. and the music is very important, it's the glue that binds it all together.

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Ross,
Intrigued by all the discussion about the validity of you posting this video, I had to look.
I was originally misled by your comment concerning Alice Spring. It led me to the expectation of paintings done by the members of the community; I have looked at artwork by the aborigines in your neck of the woods before.

These remind me very much of outsider art, and that is not a negative comment. They are very two dimensional, and there is a wonderful use of strong color.

The music, which you say is an integral part of the video, is not what I expected. Easy-going guitar when I expected something more tribal. Who knows, maybe the music is typical of the community as well? This makes me think of haiga where there is to be a juxtaposition of the visual and the written. The sometimes riotous colors could be perceived as screaming for those tribal drums while the music you chose to play is quiet; a juxtaposition of elements in the video.

I leave it to others to comment on other elements of the video.
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