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Old 10-28-2018, 11:46 AM
Mark McDonnell Mark McDonnell is offline
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Aaron, me neither. We agree far more than we differ, I'm sure and bickering about minutiae is unseemly given the circumstances. My apologies.
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Old 10-28-2018, 11:52 AM
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No, Mark, you did nothing wrong. I just realized I was continuing our disagreement out of habit and not out of any desire to do it. Cheers, friend.
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Old 10-28-2018, 12:29 PM
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Online debate on social media is as close to hopeless as it gets in our current social and political environment. (Though it's better here than anywhere else I've seen.)

I say: Listen. Think. Vote.
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Old 10-28-2018, 01:43 PM
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I’d like to throw a poetical gauntlet down.

People who do stand up to Trump are skewered. One person dismissed John McCain with “Oh well, he’ll be dead soon.”
This is the reason why I wrote POTUS 45: Concept of Operations . The news outlets are being used to manipulate the narrative(s) in this country rather than informing them of issues that will gravely affect them. I don’t have a big audience (obviously) nor does that poem dazzle (even more obviously), but it was a way for me to plant a flag about something that I observed and wanted to articulate.

Anna Akhmatova wrote in 1961:
No foreign sky protected me,
No stranger’s wing shielded my face.
I stand as witness to the common lot,
Survivor of that time, that place.

I wanted to bear witness to what is happening in my country – even a poem that isn’t that great.
I don’t know if writing a poem will help the situation in the U.S., but I do believe in the power of poetry – and the freedom of speech which I am determined to exercise while I can.
Now for the gauntlet – if you don’t like the situation we’re in, why not write a poem that bears witness to what you see?

I look forward to reading them.
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Old 10-28-2018, 02:35 PM
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McCain didn't stand up to Trump.
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Old 11-01-2018, 02:39 PM
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I can never get on the right thread. My apologies.

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Old 11-01-2018, 03:33 PM
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And yes Aaron, McCain f@#ked Trump.

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Old 11-01-2018, 10:49 PM
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Aaron, well except that McCain defied Donald Trump from the grave, as in life, thus: If this article from The New Yorker for instance is to be believed,
John McCain’s Funeral Was the Biggest Resistance Meeting Yet: Two ex-Presidents and one eloquent daughter teamed up to rebuke the pointedly uninvited Donald Trump.
Or, say, this one from the BBC for starters,
John McCain: Five times he clashed with Trump.

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Old 11-02-2018, 07:16 AM
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McCain did some notable things, like vote down the "Skinny Repeal," but he voted with Trump 83% of the time.

He clearly hated the man, but the lionization of McCain masks a conservative person willing to hold his nose and vote for conservative policies.
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Old 11-02-2018, 08:10 AM
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Oh sure, Andrew. I would have never voted for him. But, except for swinging way right during his presidential campaign (and picking Palin), I think he generally did what he wanted. Of course I don't believe in the same things he did, but I liked him.

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