[Janet Kenny]

History of the Manchester Guardian

[Quincy Lehr]

Just to reiterate and to back Janet, the Guardian is a highly respected, left-of-center but highly regarded English newspaper.

Quincy

[Lo]

Originally posted by Michael Cantor:
I'm skeptical as well. There's so much rumor and horseshit floating around on every side of every Middle East question that I think you really have to look at (a) the source, and (b) who else has picked this up.

And I haven't seen the story appear elsewhere. I'll wait for Sidney Hersh on this one as well, or at least another independent source.

Ah....but if you "Google" the headline you will find that it was first reported back in July, 2006 here, in the Arab News. http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=82860&d=28&m=7&y=2006&pi x=world.jpg&category=World


and here, on IslamicAwakening.com

http://www.islamicawakening.com/view...p?newsID=8120&

Apparently it took a few months for someone else to pick up the story....possibly because, as the author of the original article stated, "there are no analysis laboratories in the poorly equipped hospital, and
he has no concrete proof only “suspicion” that the Israelis shelled something other than the usual tank and plane fodder."

I'm not sure that anyone else has any more compelling proof all these 3 months later, either. The time lapse in reprinting the story leads me to believe there is none.

As for The Guardian's reputation, I can't say. I am unfamiliar with the paper and the reporters. I've spent a good deal of time today reading various articles on Israel and Lebanon in the paper and I sense a definate slant against Isreal and the Jews but, to the paper's credit, it's a "feeling" more than anything else, and there is nothing I can find from which to pull quotes from to back-up my gut instincts.

Be that as it may, being female, occasionally irrational on the subject and "gutsy" I trust my feelings and I'll wait to read the story someplace else before I give it credence.

Just as an aside, I did find this: http://www.islamic-world.net/wmprint.php?ArtID=8393 on the Islamic-World.net which states, in regard to the controversial, experimental and possibly non-existant DIME weapons:

The weapon is new and in the US it is still in the early stages of development. It has a carbon-fibre casing and contains fine tungsten particles rather than ordinary metal shrapnel. It causes a very powerful blast, but with a much more limited radius than other explosives.

However, the Israeli military denies the use of Dime weapons.

"The defence establishment is investing considerable effort to develop weaponry in order to minimise the risk of injury to innocent civilians. With regard to allegations of the use of Dime weaponry, the Israel defence forces deny the possession or use of such weapons," the military said in a statement. "Due to operational reasons, the IDF cannot specify the types and use of weapons in its possession. In addition it should be emphasised that the IDF only uses weapons in accordance with the international law."

Some Israeli military experts have also dismissed the suggestion that a Dime weapon is involved.

Isaac Ben-Israel, a professor at Tel Aviv University and a retired Israel air force general who was involved in weapons development, had seen some of the photographs of the dead and injured and said he believed that the wounds came from ordinary explosives. "I can tell you surely that no one in Israel ever developed such a Dime weapon. It doesn't exist at all," he said.

The International Committee of the Red Cross, which monitors weapons used in conflicts, said it had heard reports of similar injuries from Gaza and was collecting information on the case. "We haven't come to any sort of conclusion about what kind of weapon it was," said Bernard Barrett, an ICRC spokesman.

Lo


edited (several times) to fix #)*$#& links...and the first one just WON'T cooperate....it's the same article which is reprinted in the link beneath, however...apologies for being link-impaired




[This message has been edited by Lo (edited October 19, 2006).]

[Lo]

Originally posted by Michael Cantor:
I find Bob's comment about the Lancet report more intriguing. Not surprising that Bush regards it as "discredited", but I share Bob's unhappiness about how readily so many reporters - even today - accept this government spin and reprint it without challenge. Who "discredited" the report? How? What are the other sources?

See new thread http://www.ablemuse.com/erato/ubbhtm...ML/001952.html for further information and possible argumentative discourse.

Lo-who-follows-through

[Dan Halberstein]

CANTOR IDENTIFIED AS JACK THE RIPPER

(WASHINGTON) It's been reported that Michael Cantor is indeed the man known to Scotland Yard as "Jack the Ripper."

Although Scotland Yard, it must be emphasized, has not commented on Cantor, and there is no physical evidence that Cantor is, in fact, Jack the Ripper, it has not been conclusively proven that Cantor is not.

Since the discovery was announced by a man with no research facilities, no training in forensic science, and a track record of falsely reporting absolute baseless pablum, the natural question is, why anyone would question the study leading to the revelation.

"Who are these 'questioners,' and just what do they want with us?" a gathering of local poets inquired.

"I have a whole apartment full of whoop-ass," added Mr. Quincey Lehr enigmatically.
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So, by the standards of this board, we can conclude that Cantor is Jack the Ripper.

I have a real problem with printing "FIRE!" as the headline, when the actual news is that a bit of lumber found locally had a higher concentration of carbon. This goes for the Iraqi stats too.

It's insane. We all scratch our heads, and say "oh how terrible if it's true!"

There's just no reason to think it is. I think Seree's done a good enough job on this "story," and I use the word as inclusive of both literature and journalism.

Dan

[This message has been edited by Dan Halberstein (edited October 19, 2006).]

[Quincy Lehr]

Not to be a total prick, Dan, but "Dr. Quincy Lehr." I want a half-page retraction on the front page, immediately underneath the story revealing that Michael "Jack the Ripper" Cantor is responsible for a mere 598,000 deaths, not the 600,000 previously claimed.

Quincy (a/k/a Dr. Whup-Ass)

[This message has been edited by Quincy Lehr (edited October 19, 2006).]

[Janet Kenny]

Yeah. "They" always lie.

[Dan Halberstein]

Originally posted by Quincy Lehr:
Not to be a total prick, Dan, but "Dr. Quincy Lehr."

So you say.

Originally posted by Quincy Lehr:
I want a half-page retraction on the front page, immediately underneath the story revealing that Michael "Jack the Ripper" Cantor is responsible for a mere 598,000 deaths, not the 600,000 previously claimed.

Quincy (a/k/a Dr. Whup-Ass)

Oh, fine.


Cantor: "My Kill Can't Whore!" - 598,000 times!

(WASHINGTON) Michael Cantor, who has not yet denied being Jack the Ripper, is responsible for 598,000 deaths, according to Dr. Quincy Lehr, "not the 600,000 previously claimed."

Cantor, whose name has never been proven not to have been concocted as a homonym for "my kill can't whore," a sly, inside reference to his alleged career as "The Ripper," could not be reached for comment, because I never tried.

QUINCY, MD?

Dr. Quincy Lehr was mistakenly identified in an earlier post. We at The Media regret the error, although we have not bothered to find out exactly what doctorate he does hold.

Dan

[Dick Morgan]

I think this thread has gone on as long as it has because there are so many posters who want the U.S. to lose in Iraq, and for Iran to get the bomb.

[Quincy Lehr]

Dick,

Drop it. Drop it now. Drop it as this thread was dropping into oblivion quite nicely and soon will again.

Although, on second thought, there is something perversely appropriate about the neverending thread. But not so appropriate as to make it a good idea.

Quincy