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Old 08-22-2018, 06:43 PM
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I say it more like Jag-you-uh, like this lady
Definitely 3 syllables, the way Matt and the lady in the link pronounce it.. not Jag - U - R with the stress on the last syllable; it's more of an 'a'.

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Old 08-22-2018, 07:29 PM
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Oh, you Brits and what you do to terminal "r"s!
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Old 08-22-2018, 08:32 PM
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In New England we call jaguars cougars. My brother-in-law has one. Actually both. (Bostonians say jagwah -- the "h" is silent).
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:58 AM
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OK. I apologise for being British and for "affecting" a three-syllabled jaguar. I apologise for my predecessors' unholy influence on a good American poet who would otherwise have pronounced his big cat more economically.

Oh, Aaron. You set everybody at each others' throats again but you did ask about the word in relation to a poem, which has now been subsumed in the inevitable transatlantic get-attery. Did you find your answer? Do you agree that it (the poem) will have no truck with a two-syllabled cat? Or are you just grinning at the way we all fall for this every time?

I am. Grinning, that is.

Now I shall return to my own Painted Jaguar on the banks of the turbid Amazon and leave you to season your dinner with unaspirated herbs. So that is all right, Best Beloved. Do you see?
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:07 AM
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All 'screwing around' aside, Eliot must have heard three syllables for the word to work in his tetrameter poem. Being one of the non-rhyming line endings we can only speculate on whether he was an 'are' or an 'uh' sort of chap. I'd go with the former to rhyme with 'gag too far'.
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Old 08-23-2018, 06:46 AM
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https://vimeo.com/103119004

Seems you are right , Mark, from this reading by Eliot himself. Not only three syllables but ar full-blooded and all the syllables in Brazilian too. 'Don' for 'Dun' as well
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I agree with Ann and Matt that in modern BrE the ar is a schwa.

Curious. I was once queried by a N. American editor for brilliant as 3 syllables on the grounds unheard of over there. I'd always thought Americans tended to scant fewer syllables, as in library and laboratory, but many exceptions it seems.

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Old 08-23-2018, 07:57 AM
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Did Eliot use aluminum or aluminium?
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Old 08-23-2018, 08:24 AM
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I don't know James, but I'm glad he wasn't walking on the beach in white flannel pants.
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Old 08-23-2018, 08:25 AM
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Old 08-23-2018, 09:59 AM
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I'm so grateful for this thread -- I wrote a poem back in 2006 with an important line in IP that reads:


"And dreamt her as a hunted jaguar"


Ever since then, in the back of my mind I've always wondered if it was too much of a stretch. I figure that if around half of you are fine with it as three syllables, I can be too...
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