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Unread 08-07-2007, 12:36 PM
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Here is a final batch of four poems by Edward Thomas as promised a week or so ago. I could have posted several more!

The most well-known of these, at least in this country, is perhaps “Adlestrop”. (Adlestrop is a tiny village in the Cotswolds, in Gloucestershire, close to the Oxfordshire border, and about thirty miles north-west of Oxford itself. Some pictures and more information about the village can be found here: http://www.astoft2.co.uk/glos/adlestrop.htm .) “Adlestrop” is another of Thomas’s poems about memory. As happens elsewhere, his approach to the elusive core of the memory is oblique. In this case he sets the poem up as a reply to a question posed by an unseen interlocutor. It is left to us to decide how confident is the “Yes” with which the poem begins. My own preference is to read it as implying a momentary hesitation which Thomas then overcomes as the details of the experience come back to him. At first all he remembers is the name. Certainly it is an odd name, one that might well stick in the mind and remain quite unconnected with anything in particular. Prompted by the name, however, he attempts to recover the memory in the series of short declarative sentences which occupy the close of the first stanza and the first three lines of the second. At the end of the second, however, this process breaks down, and he has to begin again, repeating the name in an effort to conjure up the fleeting experience: “What I saw / Was Adlestrop – only the name.” And now the experience returns, not as before in a series of images each sealed off in its own sentence, but in a rush of a details, a congeries in which each item generates its successor: “willows” leads to “willow-herb” “-herb” leads to “grass”, “grass” to “meadow-” in “meadowsweet” and so onwards to “hay-“ in “haycocks”. And Thomas’s gaze shifts, too, outwards first and then upwards to the “high cloudlets in the sky”. In the final stanza, the process repeats itself and deepens but now does so spontaneously: Thomas no longer needs to trigger the memory by repeating the name. And the sounding of the name is replaced by sounds of a different kind, as hearing, not sight, becomes the key sense, and the memory opens out from what is close and directly experienced to what is distant and, beyond that, to what in the end can only be imagined:

And for that minute a blackbird sang
Close by, and round him, mistier,
Farther and farther, all the birds
Of Oxfordshire and Gloucestershire.

As so often with Thomas, the sound of the verse is itself part of the magic. Here, for instance, while the first three stanzas are firmly rhymed, in the last stanza full rhyme dissolves into something softer (“mistier…Gloucestershire”), this pairing delicately echoed within the lines (“Farther and farther”, “Oxfordshire”) as if to mime the very thing the lines themselves describe. The result is a kind of Zen moment, to use a word Thomas perhaps would not have known or not have known in the sense I mean.

There are other things I could say about the sixteen lines of this very English poem. Let me just add this. I have mentioned before Thomas’s technique, but “Adlestrop” reminds me that in a successful poem – and I believe “Adlestrop” is a successful poem – technique is a mode of imaginative invention. I very much like Valéry’s dictum: “Poetic necessity is inseparable from material form, and the thoughts uttered or suggested by the text of a poem are by no means the unique and chief objects of its discourse – but means which combine equally with the sounds, cadences, meter, and ornaments to produce and sustain a particular tension or exaltation”.

More briefly as to the other poems…

“The Gallows” owes a debt to the ballad tradition and to related forms of popular verse. It achieves a grimness I find very satisfying. There are some wonderfully tight-lipped phrasings here – “a thief and a murderer / Till a very late hour”, “this keeper / Made him one of the things that were”, “He could both talk and do – / But what did that avail?”, for instance – and an expressive handling of the relationship between metrical line and sentence. “The Combe” illustrates a species of mysticism which appears often in Thomas’s verse and feeds off an idea about the antiquity of the English landscape and its human and animal inhabitants. (It is evident in his prose writing, too.) “Thaw”, though brief, has greater imaginative strength than a casual reader might suppose.

In Thomas’s small output, there is a perhaps surprising number of memorable poems; there are also some which do not quite come off, even in their own terms, and others which changes in fashion have made less immediately attractive. No doubt sometimes we should be wary of what offers itself as immediately attractive; conversely, there are worthwhile poems – both contemporary and from the past – which we may well pass by if we are unwilling to make the small effort of learning how best to read them.

Clive Watkins

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ADLESTROP

Yes. I remember Adlestrop –
The name, because one afternoon
Of heat the express-train drew up there
Unwontedly. It was late June.

The steam hissed. Someone cleared his throat.
No one left and no one came
On the bare platform. What I saw
Was Adlestrop – only the name.

And willows, willow-herb, and grass,
And meadowsweet, and haycocks dry,
No whit less still or lonely fair
Than the high cloudlets in the sky.

And for that minute a blackbird sang
Close by, and round him, mistier,
Farther and farther, all the birds
Of Oxfordshire and Gloucestershire.


THE GALLOWS

There was a weasel lived in the sun
With all his family,
Till a keeper shot him with his gun
And hung him up on a tree,
Where he swings in the wind and rain,
In the sun and in the snow,
Without pleasure, without pain,
On the dead oak tree bough.

There was a crow who was no sleeper,
But a thief and a murderer
Till a very late hour; and this keeper
Made him one of the things that were,
To hang and flap in rain and wind,
In the sun and in the snow.
There are no more sins to be sinned
On the dead oak tree bough.

There was a magpie, too,
Had a long tongue and a long tail;
He could both talk and do –
But what did that avail?
He, too, flaps in the wind and rain
Alongside weasel and crow,
Without pleasure, without pain,
On the dead oak tree bough.

And many other beasts
And birds, skin, bone, and feather,
Have been taken from their feasts
And hung up there together,
To swing and have endless leisure
In the sun and in the snow,
Without pain, without pleasure,
On the dead oak tree bough.


THE COMBE

The Combe was ever dark, ancient and dark.
Its mouth is stopped with bramble, thorn, and briar;
And no one scrambles over the sliding chalk
By beech and yew and perishing juniper
Down the half precipices of its sides, with roots
And rabbit holes for steps. The sun of Winter,
The moon of Summer, and all the singing birds
Except the missel-thrush that loves juniper,
Are quite shut out. But far more ancient and dark
The Combe looks since they killed the badger there,
Dug him out and gave him to the hounds,
That most ancient Briton of English beasts.


THAW

Over the land freckled with snow half-thawed
The speculating rooks at their nests cawed
And saw from elm-tops, delicate as flower of grass,
What we below could not see, Winter pass.



[This message has been edited by Clive Watkins (edited August 07, 2007).]
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Unread 08-07-2007, 05:06 PM
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"Adelstrop" is an amazing example of a moment in time, captured forever. I thought of Hardy in reading "The Combe", and "Thaw" is the most un-didactic didactic poem I have read in a long while. Gorgeous.

Thanks for these postings.

Catherine
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We are all in Clive's debt, but Clive came here to teach, And Adlestrop is a very great poem. There are problems with transatlantic difficulties in language. Catherine, I too thought of Hardy's The Oxen when I encountered Combe, which I know how to pronounce. I can also pronounce Glouchester as "Gloster." I don't think Thomas is a schoolboy's poet, at least not an American schoolboy's poet. You need a lot of poetry under the belt to know what this gifted man is doing.
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Don’t call it teaching, Tim. Call it sharing.

To clarify, in Thomas's English (and in mine) “Gloucestershire” is pronounced (approximately) as “glostershuh” and “Oxfordshire” as “oxfordshuh”: in each case the last vowel is a schwa and there is no final “r”. “Combe” is pronounced “coom” and signifies a deep narrow valley, especially one that cuts into the flank of a hill. You will also see it spelled “coombe”, which better reflects its pronunciation.

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I DO think you came here to teach us Clive, and it coincided with your stepping down as Headmaster of a fine school. I do prefer the spelling coombe. Is it a Welsh word? And how does it go in The Oxen?
Come, let us see the oxen kneel
At the lone barton in yonder coombe
Our childhood used to know,
I would go with him in the gloom,
Hoping it might be so.
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No! I repudiate “teach”!

The etymology of “combe” is unclear. Here are some edited extracts from the OED:

In OE., cumb masc. ‘small valley, hollow’ occurs in the charters, in the descriptions of local boundaries in the south of England; also in numerous place-names which still exist….As a separate word it is not known in ME. literature, but has survived in local use, in which it is quite common in the south of England….In literature coomb appears in the second half of the 16th c., probably introduced from local use; a century later, it was still treated by Ray as a local southern word.

OE. cumb is usually supposed to be of British origin: modern Welsh has cwm (kum) in the same sense, also in composition in place-names as -cwm, -gwm, and in syntactic combination as Cwm Bochlwyd. A large number of place- names beginning with Cum-, especially frequent in Cumbria, Dumfriesshire, and Strathclyde….appear to be thus formed. Welsh cwm represents an earlier cumb, OCeltic *kumbos.

The OE. word might however be an obvious application of [another word cumb, coomb, ‘basin, bowl, deep vessel’] to a physical feature, though there is no trace of any such application of the cognate German words on the Continent; in any case, if the Saxons and Angles found a British cumb applied to a hollow in the ground, its coincidence with their own word for ‘basin, bowl, deep vessel’ would evidently favour its acceptance and common use. This might further be strengthened, after the Norman Conquest, by the existence of a F. combe ‘petite vallée, pli de terrain, lieu bas entouré de collines’ (Littré, 12th c.), cognate with Pr., Sp. and north It. comba, for which also a Celtic origin has been claimed.


I love this sort of thing. As a boy of about nine I found among my father’s books a very ancient copy of Chambers’s Etymological Dictionary and began compiling from it a list of OE words in the foolish hope of learning the language by this process. What a strange child I must have been!

But now I am subverting my own thread. I shall therefore start a new post below on the proper subject of the thread, Edward Thomas.

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I wonder if it has occurred to anyone who has read the above poems and those on adjacent threads that “Adlestrop” and “Old Man” have at a deep level rather similar poetic architectures. Both are poems about the difficulty of recovering and comprehending particular memories. In each case, there is a talismanic trigger – the word “Adlestrop” in the case of the poem of that name, the name of the plant and the scent of the crushed leaves in the case of “Old Man”. “Adlestrop” is the simpler poem, with a cast of only one and with only two time-frames, the present in which Thomas attempts to recall the association of the word “Adlestrop” and the past in which the eventually remembered experience occurred. “Old Man” is complicated by the projection on to the child of Thomas’s own attempt to recall what the plant means to him, so that here we have not just Thomas’s present and past but the imagined present and the imagined future of the child as well, a future in which the present moment will itself have become the past. I mentioned on the thread about “Old Man” how “the contrasting names…open an imaginative space for what follows”, and it is a point that bears also upon the poem’s double time-frame.

There are other connexions, too. What Thomas has to say about the names of the plant in “Old Man” perhaps tells us something – mutatis mutandis – about the way the name “Adlestrop” functions in the second poem:

Old Man, or Lads’-love, – in the name there’s nothing
To one that knows not Lads’-love, or Old Man,
The hoar green feathery herb, almost a tree,
Growing with rosemary and lavender.
Even to one that knows it well, the names
Half decorate, half perplex, the thing it is:
At least, what that is clings not to the names
In spite of time. And yet I like the names.

Thomas’s interest in the ambiguity of the relationship between words and the things they signify appears elsewhere – for instance, in the often anthologized but in my view flawed poem “Words”, which with some other poems can be found here: http://www.envoy.dircon.co.uk/etf/poems.html . And Thomas sometimes uses names, particularly place-names, as if uttering them worked some special magic – always of nostalgic kind. (No doubt irrelevantly, I am reminded at this point of a wonderful poem by Denise Levertov about her Essex childhood, “A Map of the Western part of the County of Essex in England”, which uses place-names to much the same ends.)

Finally, at the conclusion of both “Adlestrop” and “Old Man” there opens out a wider and longer perspective, full of peaceful song in the first, dark and ominous in the second.

In most respects, of course, these are two very different poems, above all in their emotional temper. But I always find it fascinating how some writers can use and adapt quite a narrow range of poetic designs to very diverse ends. (Shakespeare, for one, did this kind of thing all the time….)

Of course, to write about Thomas’s poems in this way is again to draw attention to the complex relationship between the various kinds of formal patterning which occur in well-made poems and the integrative power of the writer’s imagination. It is this last which in the end matters most.

Clive Watkins
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Dear Clive,
I have been too busy to read the latest posts as carefully as I would wish but I'll do so as soon as time allows. Thank you for posting them.
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Clive,
The thing that most impresses me is the poet's ability to find noot only the right words but the right weight of words and the right lilt to support the words. "The Gallows" is deliberately horrifying in its detachment.

I find the embodiment of intention and form are the outstanding virtues of these poems. They are earthy and cerebral at the same time.

I am glad that you repudiate the word "teach" in this context. "Selectively show" is better. We have been exposed to something great. If we don't respond to that then nothing said will compensate for the lack of perception.
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For years this was the only Thomas poem I knew, and I've always loved it:

IF I SHOULD EVER BY CHANCE

If I should ever by chance grow rich
I'd buy Codham, Cockridden, and Childerditch,
Roses, Pyrgo, and Lapwater
And let them all to my elder daughter.
The rent I shall ask of her will be only
Each year's first violets, white and lonely,
The first primroses and orchises -
She must find them before I do, that is.
But if she finds a blossom on furze
Without rent they shall all for ever be hers,
Codham, Cockridden, and Childerditch,
Roses, Pyrgo, and Lapwater,-
I shall give them all to my elder daughter.

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