Why don't you look up the study and refute the science? God help you if you were forced to face facts.

Sorry, I double posted. See below.

[This message has been edited by Robert J. Clawson (edited August 30, 2006).]

Some news from the front via the BBC


UN denounces Israel cluster bombs
The UN's humanitarian chief has accused Israel of "completely immoral" use of cluster bombs in Lebanon.

UN clearance experts had so far found 100,000 unexploded cluster bomblets at 359 separate sites, Jan Egeland said.

Israel has repeated its previous insistence that munitions it uses in conflict comply with international law.
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Every day, people are maimed, wounded and killed by these weapons - it shouldn't have happened
Jan Egeland
UN humanitarian chief

UN efforts to rid Lebanon of cluster bombs have been under way since the conflict ended. Earlier estimates from UN experts had suggested a total of about 100 cluster bomb sites.

Mr Egeland described the fresh statistics as "shocking new information".

"What's shocking and completely immoral is: 90% of the cluster bomb strikes occurred in the last 72 hours of the conflict, when we knew there would be a resolution," he said.

Mr Egeland added: "Cluster bombs have affected large areas - lots of homes, lots of farmland. They will be with us for many months, possibly years.

"Every day, people are maimed, wounded and killed by these weapons. It shouldn't have happened."

Mr Egeland said his information had come from the UN Mine Action Co-ordination Centre, which had undertaken assessments of nearly 85% of the bombed areas in Lebanon.

Earlier this week the US state department launched an inquiry into whether Israel misused US-made cluster bombs in Lebanon during the conflict.

A senior White House official told the BBC that the investigation would focus on whether US-made weapons were used against non-military targets.

Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...st/5299938.stm

Published: 2006/08/30 18:56:50 GMT

© BBC MMVI

The jews have been persecuted for 2000 years. During the Inquistion the Sephardics in Spain were forced to convert to Catholics or face death. Hitler killed millions. There's a billion point one Muslims who can't build a car or an airplane--
How about a little perspective instead of this constant moral equivalency?

Did you mean "convert to Catholicism"? And what the hell is "constant moral equivalency"? Did you mean to say "equivocation"?

As I've noted before, it would really help you get across your message if you learned how to use the English language in a superior manner. Or at least correctly.

Michael

You had no problem understanding what I meant. This wailing and gnashing of teeth over Israel using cluster bombs without reference to the thousands of Katusha rockets filled with ball bearing bullets that will kill everything within 200 yards that rained on Israel with the fervent hope of the shooters that each will land in a school yard filled with children; making the few unexploded ordinances from a cluster bomb equal to those thousands of Katusha rockets is what I mean by moral equivalence

And I apologize for my poor english--because that is obviously far more important than Iran getting the bomb and destroying tiny little Israel.

Other than that, I still love you Michael.

Dick,

The trouble with using poor English, bad grammar, and improperly subordinated phrases and clauses, is amply illustrated by your first sentence/paragraph. I had to reread it a couple of times to figure out what in the hell you meant.

As for Iran getting the bomb, I think you're forgetting that "tiny little Israel" has the bomb too. Mightn't they point theirs at Iran to return the favor? Of course at least with this question we're talking state government versus state government.

Comparing cluster bombs with Katusha rockets, first off, if people were wanting to target school yards, I'd think they'd be doing a better job of it. But as has been shown in Iraq, cluster bombs, like land mines, are really well designed for taking out children who by their nature run around off the beaten path and pick up curious objects, such as unexploded bombs. You're also comparing the actions of a terrorist organization (Hezbollah) with a state government (Israel).

It's one of the marks of a civilized society is that you don't get a pass for barbaric behavior just because your society's enemies have resorted to barbarism. In short, the fact that they have killed children (or would really like to) does not excuse you killing children.

Kevin --a perfect example of what I am talking about. The only reason the Katusha rockets couldn't be aimed was because it was beyond the technological ability of the terrorists. Why do you always put your thumb on the scale on the side of the people who hate Israel?

Originally posted by Dick Morgan:

"This wailing and gnashing of teeth over Israel using cluster bombs without reference to the thousands of Katusha rockets...."

Whoa, whoa, hold on, Dick. I was neither wailing nor gnashing. I was reacting to the many claims in this thread that Israel was fighting a precise war with surgical strikes that caused a relatively small number of civilian casualities. Claims were made that Israel had no intent to kill or maim civilians, that such was unfortunate, collateral damage.

Given the refutational nature of my post regarding Israel's use of cluster bombs, I shouldn't be required to "refer" to Hizbollah's tactics. You've wandered into tit-for-tat-ism. I make no claims nor apologies for the moral character of Hizbollah.

If you've followed the general thrust of my argument, I've indicated that EACH group, Hizbollah and the IDF, acted like "lunatics," and "morons."

Bob

If I walk into a bar and blind side some guy who turns out to have a black belt and cleans my clock and all the guys I came with--who's fault is it?