Fred, not you too! The President's wife and the Secret Service agent on the back of the limo said the president's brains were all over the back of the limo. Mass in motion tends to stay in motion--I think some guy named Newton coined that one.
But Fred, thank you for at least trying to attempt to answer the question in the physics context in which is was phrased. The one you positited was one I believe that is the one that Walter Cronkite tried to fly. Keep in mind there was a second congressional inquiry that arrived at the conclusion there were two shooters.


Dick

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Dan, if the terrorists used the Koran as their justification for cutting off Berge's head on TV I'm all for pissing on their justification.

Dick

What's that peculiar reasoning called again? The one that always tripped me up on IQ tests? The one that goes like this:

David Berkowitz killed many people.
David Berkowitz took his orders from a dog named Sam:
Therefore, all dogs are evil-minded people-killers and it is our civic duty to eradicate them.

Lo

Out here in California, we just call that sort of reasoning "whacked." Thought that's likely not the anwer on the IQ tests.

Of course, common sense seldom enters into such equations. If the neighbor's dog is telling you to kill people, the proper response is "Bad dog!" Though taking him on the Tonight Show is another option. I mean, it may be an evil talking dog, but it's still a talking dog, and that's pretty cool.

To paraphrase Will Rogers, I never saw a dog I didn't like. They are never evil in the truest sense of the word; only possibly bad mannered, like farting while people are trying to eat.

Robert Meyer

Dick, I too disagree with your reasoning, although I understand the emotion behind it.

But that may be condescending of me. Your statement was that if the qu'ran was used by Berg's killers, then it should be desecrated.

The second part of the question posed above is: should it be up to individual soldiers to desecrate the Qu'ran, with U.S. government carte blanche approval, or should the U.S. government actively manage the desecration of the Qu'ran as official policy?

For the moment, we will assume your condition that the Berg beheading was at some point "justified" using the Qu'ran, which you've stipulated as making Qu'ran desecration a social good.

I await your further considered analysis,

Dan

Lo: finally someone says it. Sorry, I've been lurking here because a lot of this is silly, but once and for all:

Suicide bombers are bad.

Suicide bombers are generally Muslim.

Not all Muslims are Suicide bombers.

Not all Muslims are responsible for the actions of some Muslims.

The Koran is a symbol used by ALL Muslims. It is a symbol of Islam.

Therefore urinating on the Koran is holding ALL Muslims responsible. It is holding Islam accountable for the actions of some Muslims.

Someone answer this question for me, please: ARE WE AT WAR WITH TERRORISTS, IRAQ, OR THE MUSLIM FAITH???

Because some people say 'yes' to the first, 'not really' to the second, and 'definitely not!' to the third, but occasionally they slip, little figures of speech give them away, they are forced to backtrack; but those who were paying attention get the distinct impression that we are really at war with all three.

Now if someone believes that there is something wrong with Islam that makes people involved with it cause conflicts, they are at liberty to say so and have the notion debated. What makes me sick to the stomach are all the little cowards hanging on to Bush's chainmail, hoping they'll wake up one morning and he'll have wiped out all the nasty flag burning brown people; because the cowards don't even have the guts to speak for what they believe in.

I am no Taliban supporter. But I am no Dominionist, and they are the ones telling us to cluster into their citadel for protection. But what will they do with us then? Fascism comes in many guises. I do not want to lose my freedom and my country because so many signed up to this bloody protection racket; I would rather die. No, I am not one for forcing Sharia and Hijabs on people, nor am I for creationism and executing gay men.

A plague on both your houses.

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Kevin, IQ tests were banned in the late 60's in California as being racially biased in favor of Asians.

Dick

Dan:

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For the moment, we will assume your condition that the Berg beheading was at some point "justified" using the Qu'ran, which you've stipulated as making Qu'ran desecration a social good.
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Dick also says:
That goes for every race that that uses their religion as justification for committing all their horrors. And, unfortunately, if you go back through history you will find that they all do this to justify slaying their their enemies. It is the responsibility of Islam to clean out its own bad apples or be assumed to share the same values of the Islamic terrorists towards us.

You will notice the biggest negative reaction to priests molesting little chldren came from the United States and it is here their membership is dropping the fastest. Were it so in muslim countries and I would take their pleas of innocence with more seriousness.

Dick