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Unread 12-24-2023, 02:45 AM
Duncan Gillies MacLaurin Duncan Gillies MacLaurin is offline
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Default A tribute to Refaat Alareer

“The Democratic Party and Biden are responsible for the Gaza genocide perpetrated by Israel.” Refaat Alareer’s last tweet

See if you agree.

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Unread 12-24-2023, 03:08 PM
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Duncan, what is the point of this stupid thread and your flippant "see if you agree" as if it were clickbait?

I attended his vigil in New York, in which former students, friends, or people from his neighborhood (now completely destroyed and unreturnable) held back their tears or didn't while they recited his poems. SEE IF YOU AGREE.

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Unread 12-25-2023, 02:05 PM
Duncan Gillies MacLaurin Duncan Gillies MacLaurin is offline
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Not following your line of thought, Orwn, I'm afraid. By posting the link to the tribute to Refaat Alareer, I was merely wanting to share it with others who might not have seen it. Is that stupid? My remark, "See if you agree", was far from flippant.

I'm glad to hear you paid tribute to him too.

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Unread 12-26-2023, 02:14 AM
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"Why US double standards on Israel and Russia play into a dangerous game" by Patrick Wintour in the Guardian today
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Unread 12-26-2023, 10:38 PM
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The question is stupid. Why would Biden be more responsible than Reagan or Clinton or the Bushes. Harry Truman. Donald Trump and his master negotiator son-in-law/slum lord. I don’t need to read the article to know a tragedy is being cheapened for superficial political points. Sounds a bit like Russian propaganda.

The war started when Hamas attacked. That only answers that one question. If it was necessary or justified or evil or whatever is not a question I’ll have decided for me by fake news stories. U.S. policy in the entire Middle East has been inept and tragic and driven by greed and political influence and other dangerous as well as well-intentioned motivations. It’s a cluster fuck. To try to pin all that on Biden and Democrats is the worse sort of click-shit that grabs fake intellectuals by their little index fingers.

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Unread 12-27-2023, 08:53 AM
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And who is responsible for the Jewish genocide perpetrated by Hamas, which has repeatedly said that October 7th was just the beginning of their plans to wipe out an entire country and its population? And who is responsible for not releasing Jewish children whose parents were raped and killed before their eyes and who are now being held hostage in tunnels and being literally "branded" as prisoners by pressing their bodies up against burning hot tailpipes? Was that also Biden? I don't think so.

I'm not defending Israel's response, but it's worth noting that Israel's response is exactly what Hamas was hoping for and counting on. By viciously attacking Israel on October 7th, killing 1,200 and raping and mutilating women and children in the process, they were begging Israel to respond as it has done, so in that sense it is Hamas that is responsible for every death that has come out of the war they started. Hamas killed 1,200 Israelis, but is also responsible for having deliberately invited a response that killed the people they are pretending to defend (and which gullible people throughout the world believe they are defending).

I truly wish Israel hadn't taken the bait and responded as it did. But it was a fact that no one could have doubted that the October 7th attack would result in a massive Israeli response, leaving thousands dead, so perhaps you should take that into account when you are assigning blame.
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Unread 12-27-2023, 09:34 AM
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Refaat Alareer's brief, quotable accusation was the cri de cœur of someone who knew that his community in general, and his family specifically, were increasingly unlikely to survive.

In those desperate life-and-death circumstances, I would have lashed out at any meddler whose meddling didn't intervene in the exact way I wanted, too. And my brief, quotable accusation would be taken as ammunition by lots of people who cared more about scoring points in arguments than about my personal situation.

Refaat Alareer said lots of other things, too, but this statement is so quotable by Biden-haters that it's getting most of the attention.

There's certainly plenty of American blame to go around for the current situation in Gaza, going back at least to President George W. Bush's and Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice's intense pressure to hold "free and fair" Palestinian parliamentary elections in January 2006, open to all parties, including the terrorist organization Hamas's "Change and Reform" party.

Winner-take-all district elections are never truly "free and fair" expressions of the will of the people, because the system is so game-able—which Bush of all people should surely have known, having famously won the White House in 2000 despite having lost the popular vote. Nonetheless, Bush kept pushing his fervent belief that democracy is magic and would solve all the problems in the Middle East.

Hamas did not win a majority of the popular vote, but it won the majority of seats, taking legitimate power from the then-governing (moderate) Fatah party. Hamas then used that power to suppress and murder their Fatah opponents.

A few examples of how the winner-take-all system did not truly express the will of the Palestinian voters, from a 2006 analysis by FairVote (an American nonproft group that promotes alternatives to winner-take-all election systems, including ranked choice voting):

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Two results stand out as glaring spoiler cases, with Hamas winning at least half of seats without even obtaining a plurality of votes. In Tulkarem, Hamas ran two candidates and won two of three seats with 27.4% of the total vote. Fatah ran three and won no seats, despite winning a total of 34.4%, more than any other party. In Bethlehem, Hamas ran two candidates and won two seats with 20.5% support. Fatah won only two seats with 28% because it ran four candidates.

Three other likely spoiler cases show evidence of over-nomination by Fatah in winner-take-all plurality seats. In these elections, Fatah won significant percentages of the vote, but these votes were divided among more candidates than votes for Hamas were.

• In Nablus, Hamas ran five candidates, and Fatah ran six. Hamas won five of six seats with 38.2%. Fatah won only one, despite polling 36.5% - only 2% less than the opponent.

• The outcome in Ramallah was similar. Hamas ran four candidates where Fatah ran five. Hamas polled 38.4%, and Fatah polled 32.6%. Yet Hamas won four of five seats, and Fatah won only one.

• In Gaza, Hamas won five of eight seats with 37.3%. Fatah won no seats despite polling 31.7%. Hamas ran five candidates where Fatah ran eight.

• Third-party spoilers may have been in operation in Hebron and North Gaza. In these districts, both parties ran the same number of candidates, but Hamas swept all the seats. In Hebron, both parties nine candidates for nine contested seats. Hamas had 51.1% of the vote, and Fatah had 35%. In North Gaza, Hamas swept five of five seats with 46.7% to Fatah's 35.9%. These two elections were heavily contested – by six parties in Hebron, four in North Gaza.
TL;DR: A one-line remark can launch many longer statements (such as my own), many of them having absolutely nothing to do with the intentions of the person quoted. Probably not the best way to honor the life, work, and memory of the person who said it, upon his death.

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