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Unread 03-05-2007, 11:42 AM
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I've tried dac-hex exactly once (and managed to get an editor to take it), and I'm trying it again at present, largely because I stumbled on this thread and the rhythm got going in my head again. But I agree with Tim: what's going in my head is a six-stress rough accentual line. I find it next to impossible to stick with dactyls. Given the freedom to understand it as a six-tress line, I think it's a lot of fun to write.

Maybe too much fun: I also find that I have to take extra care that everything in those long lines pulls its weight.

Maryann

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Unread 03-05-2007, 03:21 PM
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Exactly, Jan - your example flows as naturally as any English prose.

Thanks for joining in, Maryann.

The trick with dac-hex, I think, lies in the variations. Nothing but regular dac-hex gets very boring before long.

Well, I just received a copy of that 116 year old article on "The Dactylic Hexameter in English Prose", and the examples cited by the author should finally explode the myth that the dactylic rhythm is foreign to English.

For a start we are told that "the old dactylic cadence runs through all racy Anglo-Saxon English style." And later, "A marked dactylic rhythm is often present in the language of the Bible". And examples, such as this are given:

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

He also points to "a dozen unconscious hexameters" in a short passage from Longfellow's prose.

This myth that only iambics are natural for English is simply wrong, I believe.



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Unread 03-09-2007, 08:57 AM
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Thanks for the absolutely wonderful vestal virgin poem.

I have been thinking about posting this one for a long time, but have been deterred by its length. However, not being able to work at my regular job today, I am going to type the whole 85 lines in the hope that someone will read it. I have loved this one since it first appeared in the DARK HORSE, from which I cut it out:

A.D. Hope

FOR DAVID CAMPBELL

“And lo, they were very dry.” – Ekekiel XXVII.2

At the Last Judgment, as the final batch
Is sorted out: “Goats, seventeen; sheep, three!”
God may permit himself at last to snatch
A yawn or two; then, looking at his watch:
“TIME, Gentlemen, please! Henceforth Eternity!”

At which, well pleased, with a decisive clap
Recording Angel will shut up his book,
And Devil’s Advocate, dog-tired, poor chap,
Take off his horns, put on his halo, wrap
His nimbus round, when someone bawls: “Hey, look!

“Hold it! There’s someone coming up the street!”
And sure enough, far down that dusty slope
Trod by so many million shuffling feet,
A straggler comes in view. God takes his seat,
Saying, “I might have known it: Alec Hope!”

“Always the tail-end of the bloody mob,
Always too feckless even to cut it fine.
The Foolish Virgins did a proper job
Compared with him: well, when that loafing slob
Arrives, we’ll really lay it on the line!”

“Wait, Lord! He does not come alone, though,” cries
The D.A. putting back his horns and tail.
“One in, all in’s the rule!” The Lord replies,
“Contempt of court will fit them all for size,
And just don’t let me hear you ask for bail!”

And round the last bend weaving up the straight,
Glorious, hilarious, erratically slow,
The company of the incorrigibly late,
Campbell and Hope approach the Pearly Gate
Passing a long-necked bottle to and fro.

God bends his ireful brows upon the pair;
Singles me out: “Well, Alec Hope, you have
Ten seconds flat, I say, ten seconds bare,
If either of you have anything to declare
Against the bottomless pit, the fiery grave.”

“Well, Lord, there’s little enough that I can say;
We met this morning after the final crunch,
(The Resurrection, I mean) and thought the way
To celebrate Damnation and the Last Day
Would be to give ourselves a splendid lunch.”

“Lunch!” says the Lord, “You poets beat the band!
Lunch on a day like this? My Day of Doom!
You keep ME waiting, and you turn up canned;
What can you possibly…?” “Lord, you understand,
We poets develop a grand thirst in the tomb.

“We’ve been a long time dead; our bones were dry
As those Ezekiel in his vision raised up.
And there were these new tongues of ours to try
For wine and song – Well, David Campbell and I
Resolved to make a halt for bite and sup.

“We met outside the Bacchus too. In short,
He said: ‘Look, Alec, this seems the finger of Fate;
Why don’t we…?’ ‘Dave,’ I said, ‘the selfsame thought
Occurred to me. My turn to shout, though, sport;
I’ve owed you a lunch since nineteen sixty-eight.’

“’Ten centuries?’ he said: ‘Well, what d’you know?
That’s quite a time for building up a thirst.
We mustn’t forget, of course, there’s a big show
At Heaven’s Gate today – we’ve got to go,
But what I always say is: First things first!

“’Besides, there’s something more: I think I’ve got
A poem coming on.’ ‘For that a fine
Pokolbin, David, would be just the shot;
And Heaven will be dry as like as not.’
Well, that’s our story, Lord, Campbell’s and mine.”

“Campbell?” the Lord will say, “Now let me see;
He’s a good poet and always dead on time.
I’d put this lapse down to bad company.
We’re short of poets in Heaven, too…Dear me,
He wouldn’t, by any chance, have finished that rhyme?”

“Just what he did, Lord! You should hear it, you should!”
And Davis will speak those lines at Heaven’s Gate
And God will say, “Well done, Campbell, jolly good!
Let’s here more, Campbell, while we’re in the mood.
Let Time continue: Eternity can wait!”

There in a listening silence the world will end
With poetry as with poetry it began
And, when it is done, the Lord will smile and bend
His eyes on me and say: “Well, Hope, your friend
Has saved your bacon; at least I think I can

“Just stretch the rules a little – So, on your way!
Get along, both of you; and don’t forget:
There’ll be no lunching in Heaven from today;
Pick up your harps from Peter, and learn to play;
We’ll expect some heavenly music from you yet.”

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Unread 03-12-2007, 08:08 PM
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THANK YOU GAIL!!!!!!!

What a delight. And what a lot of typing. You are appreciated. It's a beauty.

Janet

PS: Pokolbin is a wine from the Hunter Valley in New South Wales and is probably a Riesling

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Unread 03-13-2007, 11:17 AM
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Seconding Janet. Thanks Gail. There is something to be said for typing long poems, even more to be said for memorizing them. This is an old favorite of mine.
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