[Kevin Andrew Murphy]

Dan,

I call "Godwin's law" on your "nazi poet wine and cheese cross burnings" (though I'll admit I'm intrigued by how you burn a cross of wine and cheese--is it a sort of fondue?). And also "Ad hom" on "bigot" and "antisemite," though of course I realize these are free cards you usually get to throw down whenever someone disagrees with you. But we're supposed to be having a civilized debate, or at least that's the general idea.

I've made no secret of my assertion that I find the founding of Israel to have been a rather wacky idea. You think it's less wacky. Whatever, I think we can both agree that it's here now and as such has a right to exist, if simply based on the fact that people have been living there for multiple generations, have lives and property, etc.

Of course, the same should hold true for the people of southern Lebanon who are currently being bombed and told to flee and where have we heard that routine before? I think Israel has expansionist designs and while I'd be happy to be wrong about this, I don't think I am, given the situation and given the history.