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"cease and desist"
"the rule of law" (this meant something at one time - it's now degenerated to a kind of political, mostly conservative, throat clearing.)
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I have always supposed 'As big as I am' to be an Americanism. For the Brit the first 'as' is redundant. Isn't that so, Brian?

I hate the phrase 'the rule of law', as if laws must aways be obeyed. What tosh! Break a law every day, just to keep yourself in practise.
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'Sharia law' is a redundancy, since 'sharia' means 'law'.
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Actually, I think "cease" and "desist" mean two somewhat different things. To "cease" is to stop doing something that you were already doing, but you can "desist" from doing something even if you weren't already doing it. Right?

At any rate, this isn't a colloquial phrase but a legal one, and there are reasons to keep using it in a legal context. The main reason is that any lawyer using the phrase knows exactly how courts will interpret it. While a lawyer may feel that he knows how to say it better, there's no upside to being the lawyer who finds someday that a court came up with an unexpected interpretation that damages the lawyer's client.
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George, I suppose you don't like the fennec foxes of the Sahara Desert, either. ('Fennec' means fox; 'sahara' means desert.)

So, Roger...pet peeves are one of your pet peeves, then? [Responding to your earlier post]
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I don't mind pet peeves as long a they're house-trained.
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Heh!

Roger, you might like the Wikipedia article on pleonasm, which makes some points similar to the ones you just made. (Never mind, I guess that makes it redundant.)
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The "Sahara Desert" probably does sound redundant to those who speak the language in which "sahara" means desert. I have enough Spanish to be annoyed by "The Rio Grande River."

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This one is an error rather than a sloppy usage that's gained acceptance, but it's a common enough error (in my students' essays, for instance) and for years (until a building renovation apparently included the phone system) was on the outgoing phone message of the local library:

If you know the extension of the person for whom you wish to leave a message for...
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George, I suppose you don't like the fennec foxes of the Sahara Desert, either. ('Fennec' means fox; 'sahara' means desert.)
Nope. Hate them.
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