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05-09-2017, 08:49 PM
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My distaste for Trump runs as high as anyone's. I voted for Clinton. Didn't even have to hold my nose. But it's worth noting during this news event that most Democrats and liberals feel Comey is an asshole for the way he handled the Clinton email situation, and no small number of them called for his dismissal then. So, all the liberal outrage makes me smile a bit.
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05-09-2017, 08:52 PM
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Well said, Richard.
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05-09-2017, 09:05 PM
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To my mind, and i do speak as a liberal, it's quite possible to believe that Comey abused his power and that his firing is an equally if not perhaps more egregious abuse of power. The two are not mutually exclusive. I think that both events represent sad days for American democracy.
My objection was and remains to the idea that a candidate for president might collude with bad actors - say, Putin - to obtain the Oval Office. I think I set the bar high for impeachment, but that would qualify. Just as Nixon's collusion did.
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Reason: proverb removed, impeachment added
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05-09-2017, 09:15 PM
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The trouble with Pence is that he might be competent. I think I'd prefer Donaeld's relatively ineffective buffoonery.
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05-09-2017, 09:22 PM
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I side with Kant in choosing principle over pragmatism. If Trump committed an impeachable offense, and evidence surfaces, then i want to see that constitutional process take place. Who replaces him should not dictate the process of the law to my mind.
Institutional integrity matters.
And on that note, it's worth noting that Sessions recused himself from all matters pertaining both to the Russia investigation and the Clinton email affair. And then called for Comey's firing. Perhaps the sounds that came out of his mouth in recusing himself were mistakenly interpreted as words in the English language, and he was actually emitting random noises.
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05-09-2017, 10:22 PM
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Calculating between Trump or Pence only lets the cancer grow. Trump clearly has something to hide. What it is should be found out and if it warrants impeachment and conviction it should be done. I fear his incompetence more than I do Pence's small-mindedness anyway.
As to the idea of liberal hypocrisy, that isn't the issue and to bring it up is to play into the destruction Trump is doing. This isn't typical partisan politics. Hypocrisy has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Democrats are showing some hypocrisy. Big deal. Trump is turning the presidency into a Putin-type regime.
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05-09-2017, 10:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John Riley
As to the idea of liberal hypocrisy, that isn't the issue … Hypocrisy has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
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Politics is built on hypocrisy. It's the one thing many Democrats and Republicans have in common. Hypocrisy is the grease that keeps political systems running.
I would like very much to see Trump impeached, found guilty, and removed from office; however, I'll not wear simplistic partisan blinders when viewing the current situation.
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05-13-2017, 01:24 AM
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Outrage is what liberals do, Richard. It's the same over here. Right now it's all they do. And it's likely that scenario will continue until... oh I don't know. Until the death of grass.
There was a chap called Mr Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells on a comedy show just after the War. He did outrage. But he was on the right. I don't know what that means.
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05-15-2017, 06:11 PM
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