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Unread 01-18-2021, 02:33 PM
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I saw this in the NYT, re the lucrative business of last-minute pardons:

Prospect of Pardons in Final Days Fuels Market to Buy Access to Trump
The president’s allies have collected tens of thousands of dollars — and potentially much more — from people seeking pardons.

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One lobbyist, Brett Tolman, a former federal prosecutor who has been advising the White House on pardons and commutations, has monetized his clemency work, collecting tens of thousands of dollars, and possibly more, in recent weeks to lobby the White House for clemency for the son of a former Arkansas senator; the founder of the notorious online drug marketplace Silk Road; and a Manhattan socialite who pleaded guilty in a fraud scheme.

Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyer John M. Dowd has marketed himself to convicted felons as someone who could secure pardons because of his close relationship with the president, accepting tens of thousands of dollars from a wealthy felon and advising him and other potential clients to leverage Mr. Trump’s grievances about the justice system.

A onetime top adviser to the Trump campaign was paid $50,000 to help seek a pardon for John Kiriakou, a former C.I.A. officer convicted of illegally disclosing classified information, and agreed to a $50,000 bonus if the president granted it, according to a copy of an agreement.

And Mr. Kiriakou was separately told that Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani could help him secure a pardon for $2 million. Mr. Kiriakou rejected the offer, but an associate, fearing that Mr. Giuliani was illegally selling pardons, alerted the F.B.I. Mr. Giuliani challenged this characterization.

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“This kind of off-books influence peddling, special-privilege system denies consideration to the hundreds of ordinary people who have obediently lined up as required by Justice Department rules, and is a basic violation of the longstanding effort to make this process at least look fair,” said Margaret Love, who ran the Justice Department’s clemency process from 1990 until 1997 as the United States pardon attorney.

There are few historical parallels. Perhaps the closest occurred in the final hours of Bill Clinton’s administration when he issued 170 pardons and commutations, some of which went to people who paid six-figure sums to his family and associates. But even Mr. Clinton, who was seen as flouting protocols, mostly rewarded people who had gone through an intensive Justice Department review process intended to identify and vet the most deserving recipients from among thousands of clemency applications.

Mr. Trump has shunned that process more than any recent president, creating an ad hoc system in the White House that Mr. Kushner has had significant influence over and has relied on input from an informal network of outside advisers, including Mr. Tolman. That system favors pardon seekers who have connections to Mr. Trump or his team, or who pay someone who does, said pardon lawyers who have worked for years through the Justice Department system.
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Unread 01-18-2021, 05:22 PM
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Hopefully he will pardon Edward Snowden.
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Unread 01-18-2021, 05:38 PM
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He'd like to pardon the rioters, but he has to know that doing so would greatly increase his chances of being convicted in the Senate. How can you acquit someone who just pardoned someone for trying to kill you? Bad optics as well. Perhaps McConnell's insistence on having the trial after Trump's term was up was a clever way of discouraging Trump from doing anything too drastic in his final days, lest he be convicted and barred from seeking office again.
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Unread 01-18-2021, 05:39 PM
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Hopefully he will pardon Edward Snowden.
Or maybe he'll just move to Russia to be near him and escape prosecution?
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Unread 01-18-2021, 10:07 PM
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I do love some cringelib xenophobia!
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Unread 01-19-2021, 01:48 AM
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I do love some cringelib xenophobia!
Do you find that "cringelib" is more effective than "libtard" for persuading people to consider the merits of a different point of view?

And is it inherently xenophobic to mistrust the purity of Putin's motives for sheltering Snowden? Or to think that Trump's exceedingly obsequious attitude toward Putin might indicate large favors owed or sought--possibly including a safe haven from prosecution, like that provided to Snowden?
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I do love some cringelib xenophobia!
And I do love how you always have a hip vocabulary word so you can sound cooler than everyone else instead of just talking like a real person. Oh, and I also love how you seem to have absolutely no ear for humor or sarcasm.

Though I admit it wasn't a great line, surely a cringehip guy like yourself can see that a president who has never had a bad word to say about Russia, and who only the other day incited a violent insurrection in an attempt to pull off a coup in the United States and illegally install himself as president based on a Big Lie, might warrant the indignity of a wisecrack?
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And yes, what Roger and Julie said.
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Unread 01-19-2021, 05:35 PM
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Opposing Snowden's pardon is inherently authoritarian, and opposing it based on his seeking asylum where available is xenophobic.
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Unread 01-18-2021, 07:12 PM
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Something we agree on. Let's hope, if he does this, it's not just Snowden, but also Reality Winner.
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