[Jerry Glenn Hartwig]

You know what I found out? There are things more difficult than being celibate for half of a century. No "poor me." No envy. No sour grapes. It's just the way things are. There are a hell of a lot of things that are a hell of a lot worse than being celibate for 50 years. If people can't realize that, it just means those people have not really lived; or at least, not on the extremes.

Forgive me for not responding earlier I did not return to this thread until it was just popped back up.

I don't think the example of your life applies to the discussion as it were. You have been celibate your entire life due to both circumstances of ill health and personal decision, it seems.

We were discussing someone with an active sex life becoming celibate for moral or atonement purposes. No one is knocking a personal decision of celibacy: I am criticizing the thought that celibacy should be (self)imposed after a divorce because it is the 'right' thing to do - in one person's opinion - or for se-lf-punishment.

My apologies if it seems I ignored your post. It was not so.