[Eva Salzman]

Thanks for all these responses. I have no problems with "y'all". Actually he might have said women here, as was pointed out but there were some "girls" being bandied about. Anyway he said "y'all women poets need to know something" which is exactly symptomatic of the problem. And yet if women start doing same back, talking about "men poets", oh boy they'd be hollered down!

And this "you need to know something". It's nothing to do with PC. It may be that some of this PC stuff, however, came about BECAUSE people were genuinely offended by certain assumptions and addresses. Having said that, I do know what email does with tone. The usual thing to do when one realises one's tone could be miscontrued, or not, if in fact one hasn't miscontrued at all! Anyway, the background is interesting to hear.

[Jan Iwaszkiewicz]

Eva how do you see your tone?

[Adam Elgar]

I feel inclined to remind learned members that the subject of gender justice is far larger and more important than any of us individually (us and our tones), and moreover that no amount of discussion on this board is going to bring about social change.

It's great, however, that Paul is going to monitor the gender split of subs to his journals. That's an admirable development - may it pioneer many more such decisions by editors.

[Eva Salzman]

Leading question. How about yours?

[Janice D. Soderling]

You know what, we seem to have lost sight of the topic.

Take conversation to PMs, please. I think most of the useful input and output on this subject has been said, and I would like to close it down at 27 pages. Way too long for anyone to read, and the more you talk, friends, the less likely anyone will swim this meandering river.

So. Can we quit now? Please. Unless someone has something really, really vital to the subject of Annie Finch, Women's Work: The Poetic Justice which is the topic and title of this thread.

[Eva Salzman]

Yes let's quit. D'accord.

[Shaun J. Russell]

C'est finis. Although I think some of the most interesting insights arose in the last day or so -- particularly Eva's detailed breakdown of a slough of recent anthologies.

It certainly has me thinking about the situation in a different way.

I firmly believe that things have gotten a lot better in recent years, and that the gender gap is now a crevice more than a chasm, but there is still work to be done...and I just hope that people choose to do that work with equanimity, rather than attempt to "turn the tables", as it were.

This has been a great thread, and one well worth having. Hopefully the topic arises again in the not-too-distant future.


P.S.: Janice -- 27 pages? The way *I* have my page display set, that means we have another 20 pages to go. Game on!

[Janice D. Soderling]

Ha, ha, You thought you would get the last word, did you, old buddy.

Wrong. I did!

This thread is closed.