[Janice D. Soderling]

Dean: Also my "best guess" was a sestina variant, but it seemed too great a leap. I'll certainly go check out that site you mentioned. (What a coincidence!) And I do have (and warmly recommend) "The Art of Syntax" so I'll look there as well.

Susan: I wasn't smart enough to think of hendecasyllabics (which I'm not sure I understand completely, despite knowing several lovely poems which are so categorized. Notably Annie Finch's "Lucid Waking".)

I was/am also perplexed about the identity rhymes because they are not used consistently.

And use of "anthroopmorphize" and possibly even "stereopticons" would in these spherical halls doubtless call forth at least a few resounding cries of "off with his head".

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Let me say at once that I am a huge fan of Donald Justice. But I was also surprised at the two "O" in this poem. I am probably exposing my ignorance (not the first time) but I am looking for the reasons this is included in the Best of the Best, which is no mean feat considering the number of poems that fell by the wayside before a Best of the Best could be compiled.

[Chris O'Carroll]

It’s probably important to bear in mind that Bloom was grinding an ax with a chip on his shoulder while sticking his thumb in Adrienne Rich’s eye when he edited that Best of the Best anthology. He was picking his favorites from a decade of Best American Poetry collections, and he had an agenda. He didn’t include anything from the 1996 anthology that Rich had edited, and everything he did include may have been chosen partly because of what kind of poetry it wasn’t, not just on the basis of what it was. (Just for the record, I think it’s a good poem. And I think of it as being written in a nonce form, though I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that other people are more knowledgeable than I about its formal antecedents.)

[Janice D. Soderling]

Another thing that perplexes me is that the final two lines of S1 & 2 establish a pattern that runs into the next stanza: "with distance, in the distance / Faintly in the distance" and "dream the world, from the world / Or the two worlds"

Then it is partially abandoned "cockatoo, forty-two / By June" Then even that is given up in the next stanza, but returns in part when we reach the penultimate stanza "between pines, bare northern pines / and after a time."

Chris, I thought poets and editors always behaved like the nicest of the nice.

(I got interrupted and haven't checked out the tips from Dean yet.)

[dean peterson]

Maybe it says in there somewhere Janice -- I just looked briefly at the Justice blog article and may not have read everything on that poem (it seemed like there were a number writers mentioned and a considerable amount of time involved discussing form). In just looking at the poem here again and the patterns, I see that S3 and 4 have seven lines. ?

Interesting story about the Best of BAP, Chris.

[Lance Levens]

Janice et al.

I have the impression D Justice used forms to write poems, as opposed to writing poems that followed forms. Sacrosanct is perhaps not a word he would apply to any conventional form.

[David Danoff]

I think it's fascinating how the form plays with its near-symmetries. All those identity rhymes locked in place...but then some of them disappear...and then they come back, sort of (no/know!). The stanzas have a simple 6-line pattern...which swells unobtrusively to 7, about the time you stop counting...then ducks back into 6 before the end.

In a poem about reflection, projection, illusion, it's as if the form itself were enacting a shimmering mirrored surface--symmetries that are broken just slightly, just enough to create a sense of instability.

[Jerome Betts]

Janice, I am baffled by your reference to 'stereopticons' (I know what they are - I have one in the attic)in relation to Sphereans. Could you elaborate?