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Unread 04-06-2015, 11:41 AM
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Julie, You misunderstood me.

I wasn't saying that all Christians and Catholics agree with me about GW/CC. I was saying that they all have the Bible in common, and for the most part, believe it.{the Bible} Even so, the scripture says that God created, not man, and that God will destroy, not man. Man will not destroy mankind, that is reserved for Him. Daniel, Isaiah, and Revelation comes to mind. Other prophets in scripture reference this also.

Ross, I beg to differ. Climate change is the direct involvement and consequence of man to change earth's temperature, either by cooling or warming the planet. Pollution is different. Pollution affects the way we breathe, our health. It's a different thing. Men do cause lots of that, no denial here, but so do volcanic eruptions and prevailing winds. Climate, temperature, affects pollution, not the other way around.
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Unread 04-06-2015, 01:06 PM
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Pollution doesn't cause global warming? Phew, that's a relief, Charlie. I learn a new, scientifically proven, and utterly irrefutable fact from you every day. And there was I, foolishly thinking that all those megatonnes of CO2 with which we pollute the planet might have had a hand in global warming. Now I can sleep easy.

In all seriousness, I think we all agree that there are two schools of thought. The first (an overwhelming majority) believes that global warming on the current scale is man-made, and if unchecked, will lead to irreversible damage. The second (the "Dubbya" school of science) denies it. Now, if the second group is right, cutting emissions and taking other action to counteract global warming may not be necessary, but certainly won't do the planet any harm. However, if the first group is correct, then we are heading for disaster on a massive scale in just a few decades. Do you really want to gamble the lives of future generations on the cynical, get-rich-quick assertions of the Dubbyists and their paid "scientists"?
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Unread 04-06-2015, 01:55 PM
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But Brian, even if you are right, nothing we can do will stop it. The Chinese and the Indians will go their merry way. We had better hope that this scare is like the other ones. If it is not we're DOOMED.

Well you and I are not doomed. We will be dead.
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Hope. Ah, yes.

Remember when Pandora opened the box and let out all the evils of the world? Death and the rest of it?

Then she slapped the lid on and heard a little voice, let me out, let me out. Look again, there in the bottom was hope.

But remember--it was a box of EVILS and hope too, was one of the evil things. It keeps people from acting when they should.

A useful myth, better than that one about parents sacrificing their children like Abraham and the Big Guy.
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Anyone who agrees with Scripture will agree with the angel in the Book of Revelation who says "Hurt not the trees..."
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Oh, I can agree with that without agreeing with the scripture. Trees are nice people. You can sit under them and hold hands. You can climb in them. They suck up carbon dioxide and return oxygen. For free. They are shady and their roots keep the ground from becoming one huge desert. But they need water and so do we.

Nothing like walking through a forest to make you feel awesome. And the cherry blossom trees. When they bloom. Oh, man.

Yes, we must save the trees even if we have to give up war.
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Unread 04-06-2015, 03:51 PM
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Well, as you know, Janice, that's another part of the problem. Massive deforestation means that the trees are no longer sucking up the CO2, and are no longer producing oxygen. But I'm sure the Prophet Isaiah had it all figured out, so we don't need to worry.
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