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Unread 02-12-2017, 08:23 PM
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Yes, Greg's right -- I was feeling glib and played with his off-handed comment in #20, 'if you put a gun to my head'. It backfired. I was hoping it would be disarmingly cute. (The mood these days in our world sits on a hair-trigger, I'm afraid).

Perhaps I shouldn't have stretched the definition of 'metrical' as I did. Of course I realize metrical poetry refers to the adherence to established forms of poetry that is composed with stressed and unstressed syllables in recognizable and repeated patterns.Maybe it's better expressed by calling it classical metric. I don't know. I'm just learning.
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I have it on good authority that James Dickey started his poetry classes by having his students write ballads. One thing about verse-writing, it can be taught, and it can be learned. Reading poetry can be taught as well, and it also can be learned. Williams embarrassed himself into learning how to write poetry.

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I have it on good authority that James Dickey started his poetry classes by having his students write ballads. One thing about verse-writing, it can be taught, and it can be learned. Reading poetry can be taught as well, and it also can be learned. Williams embarrassed himself into learning how to write poetry.
Before I joined my first online workshop, I didn't know how to read poetry, and was only slightly okay at writing it (time will tell if I've improved any). The best thing that happened over the years is I learned how to read poetry. When I was on my own I missed 80% of what I was reading, because I was in love with words and language and sound. Meaning took a back seat. That is no longer true, but I can still catch myself reading without paying much attention: a habit I find hard to break.

Before this thread dies I do want to search my book of WCW's early poems to find a traditional piece that isn't a clunker. He did pen a few.

I wonder if many here have read Allen Ginsberg's first blights? He wrote in a very old style, and in tight forms. Some of his formal poetry wasn't bad, but most of it was pretty overbearing.

If anyone happens to stumble across a sequence of hymns I wrote, they will no doubt want to choke me. I am in a slow process of revising them.
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AG's father, Louis, was a traditional poet in the Poetry Society mode. I've seen a few things here and there. Is Allen's early work available online? His first teacher was Mark Van Doren, who was very traditional, and I've heard that AG's early Columbia poetry was in the metaphysical style. I guess I can look it up.

https://scarriet.wordpress.com/category/louis-ginsberg/

(Added in: no luck finding AG's student poems online)

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Unread 02-12-2017, 10:13 AM
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One Williams poem I really like:

"Between Walls"

the back wings
of the

hospital where
nothing

will grow lie
cinders

in which shine
the broken

pieces of a green
bottle
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